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8 Reasons Why I Switched To A Mac

James Bruce 03-07-2011

why i switched to macI’ve been using Macs for about 5 years now, and before that I was a 100% Windows and PC guy. What happened exactly? Why did I switch? Without wishing to start a flame war, here are 8 reasons why I now buy into “the Apple way”.


This isn’t designed to convince die-hard fans of PCs, but if you’re wondering what the fuss is about, and why someone with a geek level of 9000+ would ever consider a Mac, then read on. The following are 8 reasons why I switched to Mac.

1. OS X happened

Before OS X came along, Macs were pretty bad. Incompatible with virtually anything in the consumer marketplace, they were proprietary machines that hadn’t quite reached that pinnacle of usability that defines Apple today. They were “hobbyist” machines, not for real work or the business place. Then along came OS X, built on a rock solid UNIX foundation and making astounding leaps in UI design. It was a radical change for Apple. I however, was not quite willing to buy into that yet, not until…

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2. Apple moved to Intel Hardware

For someone like myself who had grown up with predominantly Intel hardware (after the Amstrad anyway), and who loved tinkering with processors and memory and hard drives – the move to Intel was a big step in the right direction. As far as I was concerned, on an Intel platform I would be far more able to switch out the hard drive, change the memory, and use existing files and data – not to mention thousands of USB peripherals that would work.
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3. The Mac Mini Made It Easy To Try

Of course, I was apprehensive about switching 100% to a Mac given I’d never even touched one before – and it was then that Apple introduced the Mac Mini and I finally satisfied my growing curiosity  in the platform.


The Mac Mini was revolutionary, and a fantastic marketing move on Apple’s part – in that I could take my existing monitor, mouse and keyboard and plug them into the Mini. It didn’t matter that the thing was underpowered compared to my PC gaming rig – I’d heard good things about the Mac, and I wanted to try it. All at a truly affordable price point. I ran it alongside my PC, and even shared the mouse and keyboard with a standard USB input and video  switcher. At first, I only used it for emails. Outlook Express had been my app of choice for so long, and I found to be far more reliable piece of software that just worked. It was a slow start, but I was convinced. Pretty soon, my internet browsing went through the Mac too, and slowly but surely I bought into the Apple way.

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4. No Drivers

This is one point that seems rather contentious as to whether it’s a good or bad thing. Because Macs are built using a specific subset of hardware that is officially supported, the base systems don’t ever need drivers to function optimally. For someone used to reinstalling Windows on a half-yearly basis and the inevitable hours following spent hunting down all the correct drivers (again), this was quite revolutionary.

Of course, for some this is turn off – you can’t simply swap out your aging video card for the newest model – which is precisely the reason why the Apple platform has remained a loser for the gaming community. At this point though, my gaming was almost 100% done through an Xbox. We should not need to find drivers, and Apple understood that. For Windows users, finding the correct drivers was just an accepted part of owning a computer.


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5. It Just Works

I am geek, and I do like fiddling with things and hacking them, but sometimes I  appreciate software that just works. I must admit though, I was afraid that the user experience on OS X would be just so dumbed down I might  be insulted, or officially lose geek points. It’s a natural reaction to Apple’s marketing – a computer designed for the everyday person to just use and be productive and have fun with! It’s easy to scoff at that – if people don’t know how to configure or protect their computer correctly and download the right drivers, then damn it all – give them an etch-a-sketch or something.

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And then something magical happened. I used it, and I wasn’t insulted. In fact, I suddenly became so much more productive that I was able to do more of the geeky things I so loved, like programming and making webpages – and at this point, I was sold.


6. The Cost Myth

Most arguments in the PC vs Mac debate inevitably end with “well, they cost twice as much for the exact same hardware – I could get a Dell for half the price of a similar specced Macbook Pro! what do you say to that, huh?!”. It seems like a far enough argument, but it completely ignores the resale value. You see, most Mac’s are very good at retaining their value over the years. The first ever Intel MacBook Pro from 2006 is still selling at around £300 on eBay.

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7. You Can Run Windows On It

Truthfully, I don’t really need a single Windows PC anymore. With virtual machines on my main Mac, I can run any Windows utility I want simply and easily. The same cannot be said for my PC running OS X apps. Perhaps this is Apple’s fault, or deliberate intention, but either way the truth stands. On a Mac, I can run both. On a PC, I can only run Windows stuff.

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8. Steve Jobs and the Apple Magic

This might seem like a bit of an odd reason and is probably going to label me a fanboy, but I have yet to see anyone who with such an astounding stage presence and presentational skills as Steve Jobs. I can remember the last iLife announcement, where my wife and I sat watching the presentation and literally saying “oh, wow, that’s absolutely amazing” as our jaws dropped with each announcement. You simply don’t get that on a Windows product launch, because the world of Windows is just so stagnant. Apple breaks new ground, and the world follows. You only need to look at the iPad “competitors” to see how laughable they really are in comparison.

Have Your Say

Are you steaming at the ears now, ready to type an essay long rebuttal on why the PC rules? Meh, go ahead but don’t expect a reply other than “lol”. Are you considering getting a Mac and need that final bit of convincing? Let us know in the comments, and perhaps I can address some of your concerns. Are you an Apple fan too, and think I missed something key – let me know!

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  1. Joseph
    July 12, 2019 at 2:19 pm

    Great article! I have switched to Macs too, although I don’t like all of their design decisions on my MacBook Pro which I did not research before I bought it (soldered SSD with no recovery port, what!?!) provided nothing goes wrong I am really happy with it. Because of the aforementioned soldered SSD with no way to recover the data, I am not storing everything on my MacBook Pro but getting an iMac Pro (which will also be fast, and let me experiment with VR.) I fell in love with MacOS in college on my photography course and it convinced me to buy a Mac, it’s so nice. Overall I am glad I switched, and yes I am still running Windows on an external drive in case there’s any programs I need which are unavailable on MacOS, or games. Not many!

  2. RottenGirl
    August 1, 2018 at 8:26 am

    I am currently trying out my Dad's extra MacBook- he's a huge geek and relies heavily on coding software to complete his work and is a dedicated user of the Mac. If I hand down my HP ProBook then I get his extra MacBook. I have to say- at first the swap seemed pointless- the laptops are nearly identical in specs, and in fact, my HP is a bit faster and has a nice new 690GB drive installed. Meanwhile, installing more memory on this one would cost $350 out of pocket. But honestly, your article brought up every single point my dad made when he explained why he made the switch. Not to mention, the OS is beautifully laid out (once I figured everything out and spent 8 hours tinkering with it). I also felt like I would lose the ability to navigate a proper PC, but I don't think I will. Each OS is awesome in it's own way- I can fiddle with Windows right down to the local security policy- but Apple's OS is so clean cut that instead of fine tuning it, I spend more time in apps. Both are great- but I think I'm ready to try Mac.

    • James Bruce
      August 2, 2018 at 9:29 am

      For what's it worth: 7 years later, I'm still using a Mac. ;) Good luck with your journey!

  3. Anonymous
    April 14, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    Personally, I think that windows and macOS are both very good OS's. I've used my friends iMac and helped him install windows using bootcamp. If Apple licenses macOS to other companies, Microsoft would basically be out of business since macOS is faster and easier to use. Depends on your own personal preference. I think the new windows 10 updates are great though. The integration with xbox and windows 10 is also very cool.

  4. Sam Sneddon
    February 14, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    I moved to Mac and its the best thing I've ever done!

  5. Pixturesk
    November 26, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    I only buy used iMacs usually at 15-20% of the original cost. With OSX there are almost no viruses or malware, no blue screens or almost no system crashes, no registry, Installing/uninstalling software is simple, upon reboot Macs repair themselves, they just work.

  6. Mehran
    October 9, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    I was a PC user myself, but since I switched to mac I cannot imagine myself going back to windows. The price is high, I agree, but also the lifetime of a macbook is much higher than the equivalent PC. Windows always becomes slow after a while, but I've never experienced it in my macbook. you can have a quality laptop for life span of 6 years without famous feeling of losing performance, but for Windows you have to consider replacing it after 3 years or it will driver you crazy after that. Overall, I feel it was the best 2500 dollars I have ever spent.

  7. Dimitri
    September 14, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    I have to say that despite I am a firm PC user, the only reason I haven't bought back into the Apple environment (not including the iPhone 7's poor design choice on removing the 3.5mm jack) is that they AREN'T breaking new ground or innovating in any significant way since Jobs has passed. He was the main driving force of Apple, and now it is quite frankly a pile of steaming bullsh*t, that rehashes the old stuff with a shiny new coat. I do feel that it is way too simple for me. All in all, it simply is a case of "different strokes for different folks".

  8. Danny D
    January 7, 2016 at 9:09 am

    Macs are overpriced, proprietary garbage, marketed towards college girls in PINK sweatpants and UGG boots, and dipshit hipsters in Che Guevara shirts, writing haikus at Starbucks.

  9. Boner
    December 16, 2015 at 1:03 am

    I work at home, sometimes I have to take care of my aging Mom. I forgot my PC laptop so I called my son who brought over his Mac. I haven't used a Mac until the days of the SE, since then I have used every iteration of Windows since Windows 95. Well, I know some of you won't believe it, but I HATED THE MAC. I found it complicated to use compared to Windows. It was great to get home and get back on Windows. I think Windows is great and I love Windows 10.

    • James Bruce
      December 16, 2015 at 11:01 am

      So, you used it for a day and decided you hated it?

    • RocRizzo
      September 30, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      You found it complicated to use compared to Windows 10? Amazing! I find that Windows 10 is one of the most confusing things to use, as there are so many ways to do the same thing that you used to be able to do in previous versions, that were merely moved somewhere else in the interface, or hidden behind a plethora of menus.
      OSX more complicated than Win 10? I don't think so.
      Not when the same options that have been on OSX for many years now, and even back to OS9 (Finder) are located in the same place that they always have been, and the interface has stayed very similar to what it was.
      I think what you hate about the Mac is that it is TOO EASY to use, and thus, you have to get your work done, and cannot fool around with all the useless settings in Windows.

      • Skopin
        November 23, 2016 at 2:23 am

        I think it's more an issue of comfort for both of you. I've been a Windows user for years, so I find it more intuitive than Mac OS. That doesn't mean it IS more intuitive, though. It's subjective based on your preferences and experience. Because I know all the nuances of Windows, it comes easier to me than Mac OS.

        I imagine the same can be said of your experience with Mac OS and your opinion on Windows. Things that may confuse me on a Mac may be second nature for you, and seem incredibly easy and intuitive because you're used to how it works.

      • Michael Whitney
        January 23, 2017 at 12:54 am

        Lol I agree with OP that mac is more complex than windows. I tried macOS out and didn't like it at all. Wanna close a window? can't just use the red X button on top left corner have to press cmd+Q or after clicking the red X button need to right click app in dock to properly terminate it. Wanna cut a file? No simply cut option in right click menu or even a cmd+X keyboard short cut you gotta copy it then do a 3 button shortcut to cut instead of copying the file. Wanna delete a file? Can't simply press one delete key on the keyboard gotta use cmd+backspace why is this a 2 button shortcut? As for uninstalling apps it's easy but not obvious in windows 10 you just gotta search for "uninstall" in the start menu search bar thing and it opens the program and features list. Non of that in MacOS gotta research it to find that you delete an file from the applications folder but is less time consuming I guess once you know how. Oh and window management is appalling no edge snapping like in windows or even ubuntu for that matter and split screen is so well hidden that even my friend who uses a MBP 2015 model on a daily basis wasn't aware you could do it. How is mac easier than windows when most things are done through keyboard shortcuts that people won't know?

        Also there's no unified menu for anything like start menu on windows. Has list of all installed app, cortana is also there, system settings is there, power options are there, mac on the other hand has launch pad for install apps, power options and settings at top left apple logo, siri and search are two separate buttons in top right why is it all over the place?

        Only feature that really impressed me was the preview thing with the space bar or force touch. I now have that in windows with a free program tho only works with space bar obviously no force touch but I now have that feature.

  10. Muhammad
    December 18, 2014 at 6:16 am

    I also switched to mac from windows and I am enjoying it but I think the main difference between mac and others is to mac having more User-friendly system.

    For example most of the laptops absorb air through bottom and exhaust via left side - I have to put my laptop on a flat surface otherwise it heats up - In MacBook pro you don't have to worry about it

    OS X comes with several different useful tools like reminder, app store, notes, map, Time Machine, icloud, sidebar notifications
    Specially "Time Machine" and "iCloud"
    Create a full drive backup and lock your pc or track it when you lost it

  11. Chris Wagner
    December 17, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    I have been in the industry since I was 12, worked on Apple ][ machines, then when the mac came out I went PC, until last month when I too purchased a Mac Mini, then shortly after that a Macbook Pro Retina, and yesterday I bought a macbook air for my wife... we are much happier now, no more windows 8!

  12. James Bruce
    September 1, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Yeh, I've never seen that picture before. Really. What you said is 100% ignorant of any factors other than pure hardware comparisons. Yes, on a hardware to hardware comparison, Macs are more expensive. Wow. I needed you to show me that, because I wasnt aware of it when I made the conscious decision to purchase a Mac. 

    Please, read through the multiple conversations on this topic already posted before you start calling people idiots, because it pretty much negates any point you may have (not) made. 

  13. Anonymous
    September 1, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Let's see if I'm understanding here. You were too stupid to figure out how to use a PC, so you switched to an overpriced toy? You acknowledge that Macs are using the same hardware now, but you don't seem to notice that the price is 5x higher. Enjoy paying $2000 for a $400 PC with less features, but I'll stick with a real computer, thanks.

    • James Bruce
      September 1, 2011 at 4:57 pm

      I'm not falling for that one, stupid troll. 

      • Anonymous
        September 1, 2011 at 5:10 pm

        I guess you won't be approving my comments from now on, but I think I proved my point. I also think you'll do what every other idiot Apple user does and ignore the plain facts that are staring them in the face.

        • James Bruce
          September 1, 2011 at 7:01 pm

          I'm happy to approve your comments, it shows just how much of an ignorant fanboy you really are. Why would I try to hide that?

    • James Bruce
      September 3, 2011 at 7:37 am

      Dan, I'd like to apologise if I've offended you here. Your opinion is as valid as everyone elses and calling you stupid was totally unwarranted. Sorry, man. 

  14. Pete Lacey
    August 10, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Its laughable to read your opinion that before OSX arrived Macs were pretty bad, following it with "hobbyist", "not for real work" just shows a lack of understanding and unfortunately discredits your review right from the start.

    It would be more accurate to suggest that the Mac wasn't a hobbyist computer but rather a computer specific to certain core areas - Advertising, Music and Film. If you didn't work on a Mac within these areas quite frankly you wouldn't be taken seriously. And all this, running under the previous operating systems prior to OSX.

    Some points to consider:
    Apple brought the GUI to the mass market
    Apple brought the mouse to the mass market in 1984
    Apple brought one of the first laser printers to be available commercially
    Apple and Adobe brought computer based design to the consumer back in 1987 with Illustrator.
    Photoshop was originally developed on the Mac, shipping in 1990 and only available on Mac.

    The list goes on...

  15. bud6642
    July 27, 2011 at 12:16 am

    P.S.  There are a lot of free or very good and inexpensive apps. out there, if one stops sitting on their hands, stop waiting for the magical fairy and simply let one's fingers search the net.......   :D

  16. bud6642
    July 27, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Not being any type of a geek, I had a Windows-based computer and learned a lot about  their "blue screens of death and excessive monthly updates!!!" After 10 plus years and a lot of money spent fixing it, etc., I took the leap and bought an iMac. Took a month for me to learn a basic "learning curve," and now after 2 years, NO CRASHES, an occasional update.....and MS can go to hell with their garbage OS!  

  17. Roger Boeken
    July 22, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    From what I read here and elsewhere a (windows) computer buyer  that buys a car  does not look at the overall maintenance/comfort/performance/price but compares every single part of the car: the tires size, wheel diameter, cylinder volume, carpet color, number of airbags,length, turning circle, weight ..
    That's not the way you do buy a car and that's not the way you should buy it ,but why do you buy a computer like this ? And do you verify all the benchmarks of your car after you bought it or are you just happy driving it around ? Do you spend your spare time looking under the hood or is it a tool to transport you and your family comfortably from A to B ? Are you unhappy because the neighbours car accelerates from 1 to 100 1sec faster than yours ?

    expensive software ?? take a look at the app store, ugrading from snow leopard to lion will cost me only 24 euro/dollar if i feel the need to do so..
    OSX is so complete you'll need less extra software,I recommend time machine however
    There is also plenty of freeware/open_source software for mac

    I am just happy I had so little models to choose from
    I am happy there is so few extra hardware to buy
    I am happy it so beautifull, silent and compact without spaghetti of cables
    I am happy it is so reliable and performant
    an yes it is not perfect.. so they keep improving it as they do with every car on the market.

    I use imac for 1 year now and never want to go back to windows again.

    • James Bruce
      July 24, 2011 at 7:54 am

      Thanks for the input roger. 

  18. Arthurcp
    July 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    My three year experience with my iMac has cost me a lot less than the software-relateded costs of fellow PC-users.  Even the operating system upgrade two years ago was $29 or was it $39?  My experience is that the initial cost of the MAC is recouped in the savings over ongoing system upgrades and software enrichment which gets pumped into the PC platform. My Sony Vaio (8 years old) has been running Ubuntu for the last three years, and if it would expire, I would replace it with an iBook.

  19. Eric Darchis
    July 14, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Just look at pictures of the audience in Java or hacker events, you'll see a large proportion on Macs. Why ? Because among those who cared to try, many of them are convinced.

    I switched about two years ago, for me, the reasons are:
    - The hardware. Most PCs are just cheap plastic that breaks for no reason. MacBooks have an aluminum unibody that is light, strong and looks good. The fact that there is limited hardware variants also makes the thing more reliable.
    - Mac OS X. For me, it's like a Linux that just works. I have all the power of bash and all the powerful commands I like without the failing compilation of the not-really free codecs.
    - Overall, compared to Windows and Linux, the Mac has reduced my daily frustrations to about 10%. There are still frustrations of course, it's not perfect. But it's WAY better than the others.

    • James Bruce
      July 24, 2011 at 7:55 am

      Good points Eric - the fact that OSX has unix underlying the whole thing is a big boon to hacker types. 

  20. Rick
    July 13, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    So your argument to the cost is resale value? But the poor saps that buy it second hand pretty much have to buy it at an expensive price anyway, doesn't sound cheap at all. But then again, at the rate Apple hardcore followers upgrade their gear I guess it's necessary to keep the prices up.

    Seems surprising that a developer can't maintain a PC properly to have to reinstall Windows every 6 months, believe me you can do stuff to make it fast again. You can argue that you don't have to do that with OSX, the only reason I recommend computer illiterate people a Mac.

    I've played around with a Macbook pro 5,1 that was was given by a client(why resell when you can afford to buy every iteration and give away the old ones), open source community just moves too slow for OSX. Maybe my interests are unfair to apple, when the wiimote came out, drivers and software and sdk's came out for windows only to come out months later on mac with features missing, same with kinect and other peripherals I like messing around with.

    P.S. Fix the Geeky Fun rss feed please.

    • James Bruce
      July 14, 2011 at 7:05 am

      Nice one calling all Mac users computer illiterate. Makes whatever else you said kind of irrelevant. I guess half the writing staff of MUO should go back and learn some IT skills eh?

  21. Altech
    July 12, 2011 at 8:51 am

    How valuable is your TIME? I am a retired  Systems Analyst, certified with both Apple and Microsoft systems. This was true years ago, and still (close enough) true today: Maintaining PC's takes one full time IT tech per 32 machines. Apple (old IIse pre-Mac's run DNA analysis 24/7 in medical research labs!) & Mac's take one IT Tech per 240+ machines. Do the math! Also, if you have a Mac OS problem, it's basically easy to fix. That is impossible on a Windows machine. You don't "fix" Windows OS problems, you wipe, and reinstall. In 20+ years, I knew one MCSE that would spend a day or two, actually troubleshooting and getting Windows running, when the client had no backup of current (yet VERY expensive data) that HAD to be recovered. He didn't do it often, but he made a small fortune when he did! My point is, Windows is ALWAYS going down. Be it virus or whatever, it is NOT a cost effective machine, unless your TIME has no value... I once built a Hot Rod gaming PC, just for fun (parts at dealer cost!). OS Crash without warning, anytime, regularly. Yeah, big fun. Dumped it!

    • James Bruce
      July 14, 2011 at 7:13 am

      Thanks Altech, thats some solid reasoning there from someone who clearly has experience. I very much agree with you here - I still love to tinker with PCs, but it's a big drain on my time when I'm self employed. I'm actually tempted to dump my gaming PC at this point, or at least make it my new powerhouse server. The idea of a machine that can do anything with a little adjustment is great, but in reality I find work is more productive on a mac, my gaming is more enjoyable on an xbox, and my movies play fine with my macbook pro - hooked to the TV, complete with working remote control. Justifying a PC is just getting harder. 

  22. Davejack76
    July 11, 2011 at 4:30 am

    MACS ABSOLUTELY RULE!!!!!...thus ends any discussion on the topic!

  23. Imsreish
    July 10, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Only 2.5 hours? Wow, my iBook G4 can run for 5 hours!

  24. Liveforfood
    July 10, 2011 at 3:51 am

    Well, I made the switch 3.5 years ago to Mac.  Wouldn't do it again if I could turn back time.  

    Not that my previous Windows computers were anything glorious and free of trouble, but Apple has proven to be no better, thus not worth the huge amount of time & expense it took to convert to the "Apple way".  I am constantly frustrated when I find a certain task can only be done the way they have chosen for us, without letting me choose.

    Plus, the supposed quality is way overstated as well.  4 Apple products and 4 products with major breakdowns ...Apple quality of workmanship isn't as good as the Apple lemmings would have you believe.
    Overall they aren't bad, but are overhyped and overpriced.  (your argument about holding a resale value holds virtually no economic water)

    As a financial advisor, they have however made a boatload of money for my clients.  I do appreciate them for that.

    My thoughts and experiences at least.

    • James Bruce
      July 11, 2011 at 7:32 am

      Sorry to hear that - you're certainly right in that not every apple product has been perfect and some have been downright broken. I think I've been lucky in that respect, so I'm somewhat biassed. Macbooks over the years have been particularly troublesome , right?

      I'm curious, what else have you had that caused problems? Do name and shame please, it would help us all to avoid similarly mistakes. 

      In my experience, my Macbook Pro from 2006 is still performing fantastically and never had an issue. My mac mini was smooth throughout. MY iMac is still relatively new, but I purchased it refurbished direct from apple for a wonderful discount.  I had a dodgy wifi thing in my iphone once, but a quick trip to the phone shop had a new one in my hands quite soon.

      Also, can you say how your clients have profited from macs over windows machines? You meanin a creative industry, or do they fix broken macs??? lol

  25. Colin
    July 9, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I contemplate using osx.  I love my iphone 4 , and I'm assuming that the experience is similar.  My girlfriend has a MBP and I have always been tempted to try it out.  My two problems I have with OSX are the restraints on personalizing and the heavy price tag.  Its hard to justify spending an extra G  for an aluminum shell and keyboard.  And now that I think about it, I like having the number side pad, which the MBP's lack.  if Apple would make beefed up Macbook styles, I would prefer that.   I currently have a dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.4.  and the geeky side of me wants me to have all three..... only time will tell

    • James Bruce
      July 11, 2011 at 7:19 am

      I never noticed before, but now you mention it, why on earth dont they have numeric keypads? That's a bit silly. I guess you'd need a separate USB one, but if you really need one on a daily basis then perhaps Macbook isnt the way to go. 

      You could always try hackintoshin your existing setup?

  26. Osama
    July 9, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Mac is NOT for gamers

  27. Kapil Gupta
    July 9, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Had Windows not been there, I think there would be less than 30% of today's IT skilled population, thanks to Apple's expensive hardware.
    In Windows you can choose from a range of hardware from different manufacturers according to your requirement and budget. According to me the majority of folks don't do intensive processing work and for that cheap Windows hardware is available.
    And its on MUO only I saw a cartoon (to which I agree) Reaction of Linux User towards a free software "Wow a free software", Windows User say "Another free software" & Mac user say "Wow just $99"

    • James Bruce
      July 11, 2011 at 7:27 am

      You obviously didnt see the next panel, where the windows user found out the free software was malware, the linux user was required to upgraded and custom patch his kernel to get the software working, and the mac guy loved his! But sure, MUO has a range of opinions to present and a variety of writers here. We are OS-agnostic. 

      I'm not sure I follow your argument on hardware and Windows to be honest. If cost were the prohibitor, everyone would use linux surely? Hardware and windows are separate things, you know. And as for "processor intensive" work, Macs have *never* been at the forefront of speed. Hence why gamers dont game on Macs!

      And right now, a 30% drop in so-called 'skilled' IT workforce would be very welcome - perhaps we could cut out the useless tech support calls that get routed through India then, and concentrate on giving customer service that is actually helpful. Virgin Media, take note!

  28. Roger Boeken
    July 9, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I can find myself in the article of the author . At work I have to maintain over 200 windows computers and I wanted a computer at home for my family that worked just fine, complete silent, small footprint, nice design (stands in the livingroom), no bunch of cables etc..
    The Intel processor seemed a good safety net since I can install windows if osx turns out to be no good, but after more than a year we don't even think about swithcing back to windows.
    As for the price : not being able to replace audio, video, HD etc.. keeps your money in the pocket. By the way the sound from the invisible built in speakers is super !
    The standard software and operating system is so complete you don't need to rush to the shop for extra software . I made a choice for open-source community software some years ago and found that most of them are also available for mac : I continu working with VLC, openoffice, gimp, scribus, etc..
    Also my wife and children had no problem making the switch from windows to osx and they love the mac since it is a reliable beautifull device for browsing, mailing,and all other stuff they want to do, they don' t care what is under the hood an I don't  need to look under the hood as I do all day at work with windows computers.

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm

      Thanks Roger, I appreciate you telling us your experiences. It's great that you've kept using open-source software too, I'd never considered doing that, but I guess it combines the best of OSX and linux mentalities. Good stuff!

  29. Al Vermillion Sr
    July 9, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Now I'm considering a Mac simply because Windows is way too cumbersome to use when you get a mess of smaller programs you like using. Not necessarily on a daily basis, just here and there. This laptop uses Vista Home Basic, my net-book uses 7 Starter (when did we come up with This brilliant idea?!). I think the "Starter" thing is simply so Windows can make more money off the little guy over the long haul. It's certainly no better than Vista, at least, in my everyday usage. Plus I see lots of free programs that come in either Windows or Mac. Like my Favorite online game. And last report I heard was they were thinking of Linux versions. How far that's gone is anyone's guess.

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:57 pm

      The various versions of Windows are a complete joke, aren't they? I guess that's another thing I appreciate about OSX, they dont start divvying up features into various price points, but instead give you a complete, working package. 

  30. Sue Wickes
    July 8, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    This article is very timely. I am heading to the Mac shop today to finally take the plunge and switch to Mac. I am tired of visiting clients with Macs and staring with wonder at the screen and graphics and user friendly interface. I want one!! I have run out of excuses and my Mac fan of a brother is going to gloat for years as I said I never would!

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:56 pm

      LOL, I'm not sure if that's the best reason, but I wish you a smooth transition anyway!

  31. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    You nailed it.   I remember my first Mac - we had a video project to get done for PR for an upcoming tradeshow.  I was stuck in a hotel in Las Vegas trying to make drivers work on my IBM ThinkPad  to offload and edit a digital tape from a Canon Elura DV camcorder ... to no avail.  We had just flown in from a client in Sausalito CA (on a houseboat no  less) who had an office full of multi-colored iMac "eggs" - doing all kinds of stuff with video for their own ad campaigns.    So.... I called my boss and begged him to let me have an iMac shipped to my hotel room.  $1499 and 24 hrs later, I had the iMac.  Literally within FIVE MINUTES of unboxing it I was editing my video...and in two hours I'd put a project we'd struggled with for weeks on PCs to bed.   THE STUFF "JUST WORKS".  It's absolutely true.   

    Fast forward a decade or so -  same reason I went with an iPhone instead of an Android/whatever.  I appreciate all the "hackability" of the other platforms, but as i get older and more impatient (because my days on the planet are more numbered...)  I didn't want to spend 3 months learning how to use another phone.  I wanted to turn it on and start using it - and that's what Apple brings to the table with almost every product they've ever released.   On the smartphone front - I migrated from a Blackberry (which was fine,  except there was no consistency between apps and therefore every last smidge was a painful learning curve....)  - to an iPhone 4 where it was, and still is,  a joy to use daily.   I've got a pile of geeky friends giving me crap for not buying a Droid Whatever...   And in some ways on paper at least the specs look better on those devices ...  but I know the truth.  It's not the specs - it's what you can do with those specs.  Apple has everyone beat.  You're right about the tablet market... all the competition is literally a joke compared to an iPad - the only reason they're selling at all is because you have to wait for an iPad and the blue shirts at Best Buy have gotten very good at making the 'next best thing' look like a real option when in fact there is no  'next best'.    The competition - all of it -  is a cheap imitation and that's the best you can say about it.   

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm

      Thanks Bloughmee! I do appreciate genuine user experiences in the comments, and you're bang on about the iPad. I read last it has a 96% share of the market!

  32. mrmoralful
    July 8, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Well.... If iam a programmer and web developer what is the best for me?
    Mac or windows. I didn't really try the mac and i feel that windows is just awesome doing what i want to do. So what is the big difference between them?

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:53 pm

      Well, I'm a programmer and web developer too, and personally I could never be as productive as I am on a Mac. There are good apps for both Windows and Mac for coding though, so I think you need to look outside of that specific area and look at the general user experience. I think it's generally creative professionals such as ourselves who prefer Macs, so there must be a reason for it. 

  33. Willnot Sai
    July 8, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    None of these 8 reasons were compelling me to switch to Mac, especially the one about Steve Jobs.  I find him to be a self-serving, arrogant and paranoid individual and will never buy in to his "closed", monopolistic empire.

    I'm surprised nobody has brought a lawsuit against Apple for their business practices.  I guess they do not quite have a big enough share of the market yet....

  34. Molgen6
    July 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    I use both Mac and PC at work, Windows(laptop) at home which is 7 years old running XP, no crashes yet , no Windows XP reload yet, cannot use Windows 7 as it not compatible. If properly maintained Windows does not crash as often as people think it would.

  35. Kimhask
    July 8, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    I just need an honest answer to the quality of doing (I will not say 'playing' :o) Second Life on a Mac?
    I need a new computer badly, as my almost 4 year old PC (top of the HP line back then, cost was about $1600.00 canadian) is ready to be retired and turned into computer #2. I get a Mac or not?  will the graphics be incredible?  Really?  the most important thing for me is doing Second Life with as much power as possible.
    Will a Mac do this for me?  Anyone have experience with a Mac and SL?

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:51 pm

      Second Life certainly isn't a big hardware drain, it has incredible simple 3D graphics. That said, I havent tried it myself, so perhaps others can chip in here. Performance of any 3D application will be under-par if the machine doesnt have a graphics card. I'm not sure if Macbooks nowadays have dedicated graphics cards or not though - anyone?

  36. Jaime Buckley
    July 8, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    I third, fourth and fifth that.

  37. Contented Windows-er
    July 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    For someone like me seriously considering the switch, this wasn't convincing enough. I made the switch once to Linux and managed to get it crashing, something I had been promised was a windows thing only. I'm sure if I went Mac, same thing would happen, and therefore I'm still not convinced that Macs "always work." They might work right most of the time, more times than windows, but not enough to convince me. 

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:48 pm

      Well, that sounds like an irrational fear, which I'm afraid I can't help with.

      Someone told me Broccoli was tasty once, and I trusted them! Boy, I was stupid. Now I wont touch anything other than carrots, because I'm SURE they'll be just as disgusting! 

  38. Jaime Buckley
    July 8, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    I own both Mac (2 laptops and a top end tower) and a $5K custom PC for my comic books, so I see both sides and use both sides. I hardly use my PC anymore and let my kids use it for FB and games mostly. I have a couple program favorites on the PC that aren't available for Mac--but one just went under (PhotoImpact) and the other is finally being created for Mac anyway (voice morphing for my podcasts).

    IMO only, it's all a matter of what you're used to an what you need the computer to do. In my line of work (author of YA Books and comic book creator) the tools are now better on the Mac. I can do it faster, easier, with better quality, which helps me make the Mac, again IMO only, more value. On the other hand, I have to deal with viruses on my PC several times a year--not that i have to reinstall Windows--but enough trouble that the time costs me serious money. That, my friends, means that PC is FAR more expensive than my Mac.

    I will never buy another PC. My son got his first laptop 2 days ago, a PC and in only 2 days he's regretted it--because he's used to working on my Mac laptop.

    I could care less about the culture, the close knit anything--so long as i have a product that does what i need it to do, gives me value, doesn't break down and when it does...I get top notch service. Macs have been completely painless and I've been the star at work every time I have to pull a PC using co-worker out of the fire with a Keynote presentation that makes his Powerpoint look like it was done with crayons.

    If you like your computer, then good on you--use it and be happy. But unless you work both sides equally to give a comparison like myself (put up the money and the time buckos) would be wise to shut it.

    Again, just my opinion, nothing more.
    Jaime Buckley

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:42 pm

      Thank you for input Jaime, and for putting that last paragraph far better than I ever could!

  39. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Seriously this list of reasons do nothing to promote Macs;

    1. Ok OSX is better than previous versions, as it should be.
    2. Are you saying AMD or VIA don't allow you to switch out hardware?
    3. Get a Win7 trial from technet?
    4. Mac does use drivers for it's hardware, it's easier because there's less choice in hardware.
    5. Win 7 just works.
    6. The cost difference is not a myth, something you paid more for in the first place has a higher resale figure...really!
    7. You can run Mac on a Windows machine using VirtualBox.
    8. So you're a sucker for smooth talking.

    • James Bruce
      July 9, 2011 at 2:38 pm

      1. ?
      2. No. I'm saying that at the time, I felt a move to Intel platform was going to make things more compatible, and it did, hence why I can now run Windows on a mac. I didnt say anything about VIA or AMD - what do they have to do with the Mac -> Intel switch? Are we talking about the same article here?
      3. Why would I want a Win7 trial? Every Windows machine I own runs Windows 7.
      4. I know they need drivers. I, however, no longer have to search the internet for them, while still using the same hardware I use with Windows, which DOES require you to search for drivers. 
      5. Windows 7 does not just work. Its certainly better than XP, but it's still a frustrating user experience. 
      6. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or just a poor logical debater. The cost difference is a myth when you look at total of ownership - in the long run, owning a mac DOES NOT COST MORE THAN A PC. Understood? Great .Perhaps we can move on now. 
      7. I didnt know that. Great. Thats not really the point is it? I dont want to use Windows because it sucks - however I need to keep it around for testing purposes and specialised apps. Therefore running OSX in a virtualised machine would defeat the purpose. 
      8. Whatever. I appreciate someone who can speak well in public and gives a good show for a presentation, yes. Perhaps if more of us were 'suckers' the world wouldnt be such a crappy place to live in.

  40. Amitash
    July 7, 2011 at 3:37 am

    No Offense.. but all reasons are too dumb. There can be 100's of such reasons I could list now why mac is worse than linux :(

    • James Bruce
      July 8, 2011 at 5:48 am

      And yet you fail to let us in on just one? Way to make your point!

      Hey, I could list 3,654 reasons why linux sucks worse than mac!

      ... see how pointless this is?

      • Amitash
        July 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm

        I could realize that! I've seen too many "Why I shifted from .. to .. ". I think there is no point convincing others of our shift. But it is a market and everything has its own place. As already stated, its just a discussion. :)

        • James Bruce
          July 9, 2011 at 2:39 pm

          FYI, saying "no offense" before something does not make it less offensive. 

          If you want to add to a discussion, you need to say something more than "this sucks. I can think of x many things opposite to what you just said". 

        • Amitash
          July 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm

          Ok.. I'm Sorry if I offended you.

        • James Bruce
          September 3, 2011 at 7:59 am

          Actually Amitash, I'm sorry. I've been a bit offensive in this entire thread, so please don't feel you did anything wrong. Your opinion if just as valid as everyone else's and I hope I haven't offended you. Promise it wont happen again. 

        • Amitash
          September 3, 2011 at 9:45 am

          I think we both are sorry for each other. I am glad that it ended this way :)

  41. Alek Davis
    July 6, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    So it looks like out of 8 reasons, the only valid one is Steve Jobs and the Apple Magic, right? 

  42. Guest
    July 6, 2011 at 10:52 am

    When I look for applications, there are a hundred times more available for Windows. So first, there are apps that I love that don't exist at all for Apple. Just one example: I use a program that will find/replace multiple strings in every Word, Excel and text file in a directory. That thing does five hours worth of work for me with a few clicks. Nothing even close exists for Apple. Second, there is so little variety for Apple. The apps are one size fits all, Steve Jobs knows best. I like to look at a dozen or so similar apps and pick the one that is best for me. That is only possible with Windows.

    • Christian Hagen
      July 8, 2011 at 5:44 pm

      Linux is the same way. Not saying you are wrong about looking around and finding what suits you best, just that you are wrong about it only being possible on Windows.

  43. Fanboy Bruce Lee
    July 6, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Guy James Bruce is, in fact, a classic fanboy in disguise - no cogent argument and his statement about Steve Jobs (him drooling with his wife) shows obnoxious cultic bias and  should not totally have been mentioned in this article at all.

    • James Bruce
      July 8, 2011 at 5:56 am

      'Guy' Bruce Lee is 14 years old?

  44. Anand
    July 5, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Contrary to popular belief, most windows users (eclude the programmer by profession) are dumb/day-to-day users. they don't know how a PC works and rely on Google to find everything which is why they end-up clicking every pop-up that comes along and install every crapware out there, but can you live without that crapware on windows? No windows despite its gigantic 15Gb install space doesn't provide any day-to-day use applicaions. the only reason Windows is where it is today is the basics of human nature and MS marketing skills back in the day, that allowed the OS to grow and had people spend so much time learning to fix it. If you are really looking for an open system, why are you not behind a system like pure UNIX? you could do what ever you want even your own version of the OS. The main reason why many of these people support Windows is not because they love it, they hate Apple just because the hate change as a basic human nature and just because there is a system out there thats better than what they use and they are afraid they would be a lay-man once they switch, thus choose to hating what they don't have...its sour grapes for them. By the way I don't use a Mac, i wish i could, but I spent countless hours on learning how to fix a windows PC when i had time to spend on learning things now i don't have that kind of time to learn another thing that could possibly do things better, but i would rather live with the sucky system because the cost-benefit analysis doesn't add up at this point where i have a busy professional schedule. But one got to acknowledge a better system even if they don't belong there. The mundane arguments like "I just hate apple" is only going to show that your opinion is useless and immature... for those Apple-haters just tell me exactly after 15yrs of a windows OS, how difficult it is to have a perfectly working auto-hide task bar functionality with a  OS that takes up 15GB space. that tells the story about the quality of development team and architects of Windows OS.

  45. Balvinder Singh
    July 5, 2011 at 7:03 am

    hey you mentioned "geek level"
    how do you measure it ??

    • James Bruce
      July 5, 2011 at 7:48 am

      Oh, weren't you given a certificate by the geek overlords? Hmm, thats strange. Usually they come to you. .. ;)

  46. shotstars
    July 5, 2011 at 3:21 am

    Can you build a mac? i guess another way to say it is, could i buy a bunch of hardware put it in a shell and install mac on it?

    • James Bruce
      July 5, 2011 at 7:47 am

      You *can*, but there will always be some degree of hacking things together involved, downloading drivers and editing core system files to make it work. If you find compatible components from the start and are 100% confident you know what you're doing, you can pretty much build a powerful equivalent of a mac pro for a fraction of the cost - BUT, lion will change the compatible hardware i believe, so if you want to upgrade at some point then hold off until that is released and the hackintosh communtity has had time to mess around with it. 

      Check here where it says 10.7 compatible hardware (coming soon):

  47. Andrew Smith
    July 5, 2011 at 2:57 am

    I don't resell computers, old computers become small servers. I'm sure there is a point where those old computers will become too old, but I haven't lived enough years for that to happen, and when they do they will not have any resale value, mac or pc.

    • James Bruce
      July 5, 2011 at 7:49 am

      Surely there's a limit to the number of servers you can own?

    • James Bruce
      July 5, 2011 at 7:50 am

      That is very commendable though, you're clearly not one to buy a new machine every year and I can respect the fact you're taking responsibility for your e-waste. 

      • Andrew Smith
        July 6, 2011 at 6:30 pm

        heh, yeah, I'm not buying new machines too frequently. However there could be a contradiction, the older machines are probably less efficient, have more power consumption per cpu cycle... sigh... haha... My home server is a P4 3.0ghz with a gig of ram. 

        Then other machines can also be places to experiment with different operating systems and such. If I'm done with a machine, everyone is done with the machine haha... (with some extreme examples)

        I'm a pack rat hoarder. haha

  48. Kicsike
    July 4, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    The Mac is not more expensive than  an identically built PC.  Identically means: identical components.  Look at the comparison presented:  different processors, the Intel is net superior to that of AMD (6MB L2 cache compared with only 1MB L2 cache, etc), screen resolution - what a difference!!, battery time, weight.  No wonder there is a significant price difference between the two machines.
    In September 2009 when I bought my MacBook Pro just for comparison I configured an absolutely identical 17inch DELL laptop and found a price difference of about $100.  A few months prior to that (in April 2009)  I configured an identical DELL desktop to my newly purchased quad core Mac Pro, and the difference was again $100.   And, there is no comparison in the resale value of those two pairs of machines.
    Yes,  some PC's are much cheaper than the Macs, but the general rule "you get what you paid for" applies in this case, too.

    What about the price of the operating system updates?  Mac OSX Lion will cost $30, a fraction of the cost of Windows 7.  And if you add all the extra "compulsory" utilities, which you will have to update each and every year, you need for a PC compared with the Mac, the price difference is even higher.
    And, finally: the Windows operating system has some minor advantages over Mac OSX, but they pale in comparison with the multitude of significant advantages of Mac OSX over Windows.

  49. Bakari
    July 4, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Nice write up, James. I’ve been a long time user of Macs, especially since Apple made the transition to Intel and the release of OS X. I simply like the fluid UI system of OS X, though the Finder could now be improved a lot. I also like how iLife apps work together, boosting my workflow. I don’t get into the Mac vs. PC debates, because in my view whatever works best for you is what you should be working with. 

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:34 pm

      Thanks Bakari. I'd tend to agree with you about whatever works for you - but I cant abide people who refuse to try something new because of predujice and ignorance! It reeks of religious fundies. You'd think I'd never touched ubuntu or windows 7 before by some of the comments here, as if 20 years of experience count for shit. Meh.

  50. Matt C
    July 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Confused about the "Cost Myth" is it a myth?  The Mac you have listed is FOUR times the price of the HP.  This is evened out by a couple hundred dollars in added resale value?

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:19 pm

      No. TCO. 

  51. Asdasd
    July 4, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    you call your self a geek , but i see u never even heard about hackintosh.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:22 pm

      Yeh, really, never heard of it. 

      I hacked a hackintosh onto my laptop before iboot and tonymac were around. i purpose built a hackintosh desktop from so-called compatible components, and ive gone through the hackintosh install process hundreds of times, so dont randomly make up statements you know nothing about. If you read the rest of the comments here, you would know what I just had to repeat. 

  52. Bohed
    July 4, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Nice read! Thanks alot. I am a designer, and I know I should switch to Mac one day, but I am really scared that it will be like a rebirth for me, far as I know it's a totally another world...

    • p riehl
      July 4, 2011 at 1:50 pm

      Yeah, Apple has kind of claimed ownership of iNtuitive, which their products not only aren't, but never have been (I well recall my first attempt to figure out a Mac in 1985). Instead they simply provide virtually no documentation and leave you to decide you're stupid (what? Didn't know you had to double-click the home button on your iPad to see all running programs? Didn't know to hold down an icon on your new iPad for a couple seconds to make it jiggle, so you could move it around or uninstall? What are you, an idiot? BTW know how to take an iPad screen shot? Now *that's* intuitive for ya :)

      As a designer, I moved to Windows in 2003 or so when I no longer HAD TO have a Mac - so clearly I don't get where your *should* comes from. 'Course, if you want to code apps for iShit, you have to use Mac.

      • James Bruce
        July 4, 2011 at 9:23 pm

        That was quite a lol, thank you. 

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:24 pm

      I felt the same. I dont suggest you make change, just get an old mini off ebay to play around with and see if you like it. If you find t doesnt suit, then you've only lost about $200 (and can resell it anyway!)

  53. Frankiemcp
    July 4, 2011 at 6:54 am

    Lol so wrong in so many ways. Misguided by clever marketing ploys.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 8:08 am

      Do you really think Apple marketing is that good? Why doesn't it affect you then? I'm not a particular susceptible person and I'm a downright cynical bastard to be honest. 

  54. Robert A.M. Stephens
    July 4, 2011 at 5:59 am

    I agree somewhat, but to clarify, I switched over the to mac from a phony crap Wang in August, 1984, after being introduced to the first Mac and then Mac plus. This was at McDonnell Douglas Astronautics at the Kennedy Space Center, for NASA. Finally, I could actually do CAD, changes on shuttle, graphics, and finally, no crashes and I could talk to everything and connect to the big CRAY we had also. Today, why anyone would even fart around with the infamous blue screen of MicroBrain is beyond me, but, if you pay $29 for a computer, that is what you get. My latest Mac is now 8 years old and rocks on.  Oh well....

    Mac: "Try a Mac, you never go back!" - 27 years and counting.......Hail, Apple!

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 8:06 am

      Wang? WANG? Oh man, I thought the funniest comment I got would be a flame, but this just took the award!

  55. Anomaly
    July 4, 2011 at 4:45 am

    If that's true that's one annoyance solved for me. I am still very concerned with the app store only download. This will require me to install Snow Leopard just to get the app store so I can down load Lion. Besides the annoyance of jumping through hoops this is also Apple taking one more step closer to locking Mac OS X down like iOS and forcing me to use the app store.

    The day is coming that you will not be able to install anything on Mac OS X unless it comes from the app store just like in iOS. I'm sure you will be able to "jail break" like you can with iOS  but why should I jump through hoops to use a system I purchased. The annoyances keep adding up and it is getting to the point that I just don't want to deal with Apple any more. It's too bad to because setting aside the overpriced hardware, the moron fan boy culture, Steve Jobs desire to absolutely control your computing experience, and all the undeserved hype, Mac OS X is a very nice system and I enjoy using it.

    Did anybody else notice that in point 6 of the article "The Cost Myth" the Mac actually cost 4 times the price of the PC? You could buy 4 PC's for the price of the Mac. No way resale value will make up for that. They should probably have used a Mac Book or iMac for the comparison because 17 inch Mac Book Pros are very overpriced. 

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 8:05 am

      I understand your hesitation about the app store, but I guess I'm not really in a position to comment on it until having lived with it for a bit. We'll see. It's certainly a daring move that could be very harmful to apple if it fails, but given how much success they've seen with the ios app store (and precisely why the rest of the mobile world copied them), I think things will work out. 

      And as for buying more PCs, I just replied somewhere else about the ethics of buying a new computer every year and contributing to e-waste. The picture I included was a good example of how silly the argument over cost is - it wasnt supposed to be a good argument! See the link posted elsewhere for a better argument regarding TCO versus initial purchase cost. 

  56. Anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 4:42 am

    The cost myth is not one, they do cost mch more. Resell being higher just means an old Mac cost event more than an old pc, worse situation.

    Plus with a fixed box like that you can't upgrade things like video or CPU so it seems to me Mac life is shorter.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 8:00 am


      And you can't argue things like " a mac life is shorter" when everyone else is saying "you can buy a new pc every year and it'll be cheaper than the mac!". Which is it?

      • Anonymous
        July 4, 2011 at 2:20 pm

        Sure you can, it depends on need. People wanting the latest CPU may do better with a pc if they don't mind doing that kind of thing. Not good if you don't want to crack open your box.
        A new pc every year is I suppose for people without cost concern and need the latest without performing upgrades themselves. Expensive but likely less than a similar Mac each year.

        I'll argue price with Mac and win easily, apple gets that price in payment for simplicity or aesthetics or whatever is in the eye of the beholder. But the fact is they do cost more.

        I do pc's but I also have an iPhone and iPad. In that market apple had actually changed their pricing strategy radically and was/is price competitive. look how well it worked. I don't know why the macs have not gone that route, perhaps too scary to think of.

        But I have a love hate with apple as most do. They still overcharge for simple things like those iPad covers, simple cables etc.. And I don't like the closed nature of the hardware in terms of that recent hard drive lockout, non replaceable batteries etc. And here's hoping they don't ruin mac's by iOS-ing it with a restricted software market (you should not have to "jailbreak" anything you've paid for.

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:39 pm

          I think Macs are getting cheaper over time, arent they? Possibly not as fast as the cost of windows pcs plummets, but I get a feeling they're definitely cheaper than 5 years ago. Not that I have any data to back that up mind ;)

  57. Joshua
    July 4, 2011 at 3:38 am

    Scam with fake bidders.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:43 am

      Sorry to make your comment seem lonely here, but I moderated that scam post out. Thanks for the heads up. 

  58. Anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 3:16 am

    haha, funny problems
    //happy linux user

  59. Joshua
    July 4, 2011 at 2:59 am

    A Mac is a PC. The phrase "Mac or PC" annoys me to no end. PC stands for Personal Computer which is very general. PC generalizes all personal computers, including Mac,  Linux, even Google's Chrome OS.

    You can now pick up a 15.6' laptop for $400 that will be very fast (and comes with Windows 7). If you need OS X get a torrent to install it for free. Or pay $1800 for a MacBook Pro with the SAME hardware specs. You're paying FOUR and a HALF times MORE for the Apple Logo.

    Seems like an obvious scam to me unless you're a millionaire and money is never an issue. You could buy a new laptop every year for the next FOUR years and keep getting better hardware while still only having spent $1600 (or less). Windows computers and laptops keep getting cheaper while Macs stay the same price. The author of this post put that as a positive note which it obviously isn't.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:59 am

      I'm very far from a millionaire, yet I chose to invest in a 27" iMac and have never regretted that day nor the productivity boost I have gained from it. 

      And you really can't install OSX that easily on a regular 'pc', let alone a laptop. It's a long and involved process, and the result is something which constantly breaks. It's a great technical feat to achieve and certainly some proud geek points to be had (hence why I even built a new pc a few years ago with the deliberate intention of making it 100% osx compatible), but "just install it on your pc" it is not. If you can build and sell machines that are 100% compatible with a retail install of snow leopard, you will be a very rich man (and then you'll be able to afford a real mac!). 

      One final point - you're  absolutely spot on right about being able to buy and replace your laptop every year for the same price of a mac, I'm very sorry if people actually do that. E-waste is a massive problem, I'd invite you to visit some of the poorer areas of china to see all the pc shit that gets dumped there precisely because people keep buying new laptops to replace thier cheap and easily outdated one. Choosing NOT to do that is an ethical choice that I make, so I'm glad you raised it. 

      Thank you for your input!

      • Trevor Lenten
        July 4, 2011 at 12:59 pm

        Apple also contributes to the problem of "E-waste" by pumping out new iPhones that everyone MUST have at a very high rate of speed. It's the nature of the electronics game.

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:51 pm

          I thought iPhones were quite recyclable actually, but apparently not. It seems Nokia is leading the way well ahead of anyone else. So I was quite wrong on that one. 

          I guess it's difficult to make a phone thats both competitively priced (hence the need for mass production and revving up the marketing machine) AND environmentally friendly. 

        • Trevor Lenten
          July 4, 2011 at 11:25 pm

          Thanks for the link to a good looking website. :)

      • Joshua
        July 5, 2011 at 11:25 pm

        There are hacked copies of OS X made to work on non-standard hardware. But I'll stop right there as I haven't personally tested them. So I can't say with any certainty that they actually work well.

        Speaking of E-waste, you seriously think people take their year old laptop and throw it in the garbage? I like to game on the go, so I buy a new laptop every year for a better graphics card. I then sell my previous one to a friend or on craigslist for usually a little more than half of what I paid (if I paid 1600 I can get 900 - so the new laptop costs me 700).

  60. Petah
    July 4, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Shut your clap trap, most of your points are null and void.

    Were you using Windows 98 or something?

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:53 am

      Oh man, that's the best lol to wake up to. "clap trap" eh? Awesome!

      I *have* used Windows 98, as well as 3.0,3.1,NT,95,Me,2000,Xp,Vista... and 7. 

  61. bob
    July 4, 2011 at 1:46 am

    ..reinstalling Windows on a half-yearly basis? No wonder you jump ship to Mac.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:51 am

      Is that weird? Things got sluggish, and wiping it all fixed that for another 6 months. 

  62. Bob Waltman
    July 4, 2011 at 12:29 am

    I've been using a Mac for about 6 months and I truly enjoy doing so. Prior to buying my first Mac I was a Windows/PC geek. I only built my own PC's with the best parts and peripherals available. I must say though, I had dropped using Windows when Vista came out and until the release of Windows 7 I was using one of 3 Linux distros (depending on my mood). Once Windows 7 came out I was sufficiently impressed with the OS that I started using it again.

    But I kept hearing great things about the Mac and eventually decided I had to get one to satisfy my curiosity. I bought a 15" Macbook Pro with an i7 processor (Dual core). The first thing that really surprised me was that it performed as well as my Windows PC witch has a quad processor and 4 times the RAM. The only time I saw it perform slower was when rendering some really large Photoshop files. Once I upgraded the memory the speed was the same. And once I installed an SSD drive it blew the PC away.

    While it is a myth that Macs don't crash it has been very rare in my experience. I had a lot more crashes in Windows. So much so that it was the crashing that finally made me go to the store. And yes I also re-installed Windows about once a year to get the performance back. If you don't think that's valid or you claim to never do that then I can only assume you don't use your computer all that much. 

    Using the Mac I've become a lot more productive too. I can't really explain why but I think part of that is the elegance and well designed Mac apps that I use. The work flow just feels better and more streamlined. I'm still learning about all the different functionality but overall I'm very happy and only use my PC for gaming and media as I have it connected to our main TV now.

    I've never gotten into hatred for a company because of this or that. I choose to use products based on the products. If they perform the way I need or expect I buy and use them and I really don't care about their politics. Sure I may not agree with every decision a company may make, but it's their company and I wouldn't presume to try to tell them how to run it just the way I wouldn't want someone telling me how to run mine.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:50 am

      Thank you for taking the time to post that Bob 

    • Christian Hagen
      July 8, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      A Mac with an SSD against a PC with an HDD is always going to win of course. Because the SSD is faster than an HDD!!

      Never owned an Apple-product but I have tried several of them, and my experience with it is that I can't get ANYTHING done on them. Can't get much done on PCs with Windows either, but that's a whole other bag of worms.

      My point: Don't compare apples with particle accelerators ;)

  63. Trevor Jones
    July 3, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Can you believe this?

    "This might seem like a bit of an odd reason and is probably going to label me a fanboy, but I have yet to see anyone who with such an astounding stage presence and presentational skills as Steve Jobs."
    So basically you are a fanboy and posting this incredibly pathetic article peddling Macs on others just because you have a crush on Steve Jobs?

    This means that you look at how things are presented to you, sold to you, and the presenter's personality and that's all it takes to close a deal with you.
    I sure hope that:
    1. You are not someone who makes key decisions for a business or a group of others.
    2. Don't serve on jury duty.

    All it would take to convince you is some sales pitch, even if the product is blatantly inferior and is a rip off.
    All it would take is for the prosecution or the defense in a trial to be of a "charm" or a good presenter for you and you'd either free a serial killer or condemn an innocent man to death.
    Yep, unfortunately there are people like you who walk among us and have such stupid and dangerous standards on what they make their decisions based on.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:49 am

      Attacking someone's character isn't really a good logical argument to be honest, especially not on the basis of one paragraph in an article of many. 

      I hope you don't serve on jury duty either, you're clearly a vindictive and horrible person who can't accept an alternative view of the world. Grow up, eh? Then we'll talk. 

      • James Bruce
        September 3, 2011 at 7:41 am

        Trevor, I'm sorry if I offended you here. You're entitled to your opinions just as everyone else is, and I need to respect that. Apologies. 

  64. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Haha, truly laughable.

    What drives someone to write a piece like this I'll truly never ever know. Using Steve Jobs as a reason is just the pièce de résistance.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:42 am

      Yeh, I thought you guys would like that one. You know, we do take reader submissions if you think you can do better?

  65. ISheepsiSheepseverywhere
    July 3, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    1 reason why i will unsubscribe from this website right know.

    1- For posts like these, this blog was nice before all the steve jobs cock sucking that came around several months ago, this website was made known by windows users and now you are just drinking the apple juice like a retarded iSheep for some pageviews, good bye, you lose another reader.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:40 am

      I'm gonna have to reassign the ROFL of the day award I can see!

      I'll miss you man! Good luck on graduating junior high, eh?

  66. Doug Dunfee
    July 3, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    4, 6, 7 and 8 all made me laugh, but I get your point.  To each his own and you like your computing a bit fruity.  I have come around these past few years and understand that many folks are just more productive doing things the "Apple Way".  I still much prefer to do things my way and over-dramatic as it may sound, my stomach turns a little when I think of another dime going into Apple's coffers as their arrogance shows no bounds.

    Drivers... really, you're telling me there are more drivers and more compatible hardware out there for OS X than Windows?

    Cost isn't a myth its as easy as looking at the stickers.  You can get a $400 machine that's is in many ways more capable as a $1200 Mac (the cheapest they sell).  You do have a point for resale, and I understand for you its a point, but for most its not.  Apple hardware is top notch obviously though and is a point almost no one will argue.

    The best part of your Mac is it can run Windows?!  For only another $200-400 dollars...  Don't pull something reaching for that one...

    8, your a sucker for overpriced marketing and flash?  I've got some ocean front property in Alberta for yah :)  I can show it too you with lots of pizzazz :)  I'll only add a 700% lockin and branding fee.  You can only get your water, electricity and air from Mango branded sources (again with a roughy %700 fee).  But all your neighbors will ooh and aah from the coffee shop as they see the glowing Mango on the side of your house...  LOL

    Not a bad read, but I didn't want to disappoint you and not provide an appropriate flame response.  After all what fun is being a fanboy of the largest tech company the world without a little delusional underdogness :)

    Thanks for sharing.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:37 am

      I think you better forward me some info on that ocean front property! Sound super!

      I think cost is more than initial purchase though - TCO and all that. When you factor in the cost of offfice software, servers to support it, technical staff to fix your windows and constant need for upgrade? A mac becomes a whole lot cheaper in the long run. Another commenter here posted this link, maybe check that out for a better explanation:

      As for drivers - I dont think Mac has *more* drivers as such, but I've certainly never needed to install drivers before using something with my mac, unlike windows which has been known to ask for drivers for a USB stick before (that was XP, I believe). 

      • Doug Dunfee
        July 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm

        TCO is tough, what's "long run"?  30 years?  Good or bad, once your org is of much size, switching from a 90% MS shop to an Apple shop is a gigantic cost and massively disruptive.

        I tried not to go on forever, but as for drivers.  I simply meant that his XP screenshot (I know a lot still use it, but Windows 7 is 2yo now...) means little considering I haven't had a driver issue yet really on Windows 7 yet.  Besides, isn't the mantra on Mac "it just works" (or it just doesn't)? :)

        For small shops just getting started though I would recommend staying platform agnostic.  I've never really loved that it's all or nothing at most organizations.  That said, MS has given me a career and all Apple has ever given me is headaches and heartburn.

        On a side note, holy 190 comment flame war :)
        Whatever drives traffic eh? How about a "Why I refuse to give up on my Blackberry" post for the next round.  Let the flames begin!

        • James Bruce
          July 11, 2011 at 7:45 am

          lol, we would, but no one on the staff team owns a blackberry...

    • Mulder
      July 4, 2011 at 1:12 pm

      You obviously have no experience with Macs and know nothing about them. The least expensive Mac is a far cry from $1200; it's $699.

      • Trevor Lenten
        July 4, 2011 at 1:25 pm

        and what kind of specs does THAT have? 56k modem? 500 Mhz Cpu? 256 MBs of RAM? lol jk

        • Mulder
          July 4, 2011 at 8:53 pm

          Instead of displaying your astounding ignorance of everything to the world here, why don't you go look it up yourself? It will be a learning experience for you. But if you want to get out of the basement of your parent's house, go to the nearest Apple Store and see one for yourself.

        • Trevor Lenten
          July 4, 2011 at 9:32 pm

          The model you referenced is the starting point for a mac mini bro. Just because I don't use a mac doesn't mean I haven't looked into them. You're a very uptight commenter aren't you?

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:41 pm

          hmm, I think we broke the threading here, now I have no idea what that was about! ;(

      • Doug Dunfee
        July 8, 2011 at 3:38 pm

        Good call, I have minimal Mac experience.  I was thinking laptops, but didn't say so. The entry level Mini is $700.  It quickly becomes $800 if you want a mouse and keyboard and then $900 for 4GB of RAM.  A "comparable" PC would run $500-600.  Not saying it isn't worth it for some though.

        I was also mistaken on the laptops though, I forget about the lowly Macbook (the un-Pro version), it starts at $999 which isn't so bad I suppose, but still 2.5x more than a respectable budget Windows laptop.


  67. Steve
    July 3, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    #6 The Cost Myth.   If your looking at true cost than you need to consider the total cost of ownership ... not just the buy-in price.  There has been some good research into the TCO of a mac vs a pc  here is one link that goes into more detail. can also download a TCO spreadsheet here:Winn's Total Cost Of Ownership Analysis Mac Vs - Winn SchwartauThis helps to put your purchase into perspective.

  68. kn0w-b1nary
    July 3, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    8 Reasons I switched to Linux:

    1. Ubuntu happened. 6 month release cycle, and easy enough for my mom to use.
    2. Supports most hardware. Intel, AMD, PPC (PowerPC), and PS3.
    3. Can try it on virtually any computer. It even worked on an old Pentium 3 in the garage. 400 mhz, < 300 mbs of RAM.
    4. Has many drivers. I loaded a Debian 5 on a Micron PC, moved the HDD to a dell, then a Pentium 3, then another dell. It worked perfectly on all.
    5. Works perfectly. My dad keeps asking me how I set stuff up cause of the problems he runs into with windows, and I can't help him cause it just works on my ubuntu.
    6. It's a free OS, and I don't have to buy a special computer for it.
    7. I can run Windows programs in WINE, or run windows or Mac OS X in a VM with virtual box.
    8. An amazing place to see testimonials, and help. Very encouraging.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 6:51 am

      Valid points - but I wonder how easy it is for someone not passionate open source? I'm a fan of linux, for sure, on a server level at least. But every time I check out the latest ubuntu, I still get frustrated at trying to do the simplest things. Perhaps being baby-sat for so long on a mac has made me a little OS-stupid, so I'm guessing going from a Windows to a Ubuntu machine would be a lot more satisfying. Ahh, if only ubuntu was any good 10 years ago, how my life might have changed...

      • kn0w-b1nary
        July 11, 2011 at 5:54 pm

        If having problems using Linux, try a different Desktop Environment.

        I personally like Xfce, though you can also try Gnome, KDE, LXDE, and e17. There are more but those are the most popular.

  69. Marco Barreto
    July 3, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    1 reason I will NEVER be in the same room as a Mac (or iPhone,, or iPad or iWathever): I worked at Apple for 2 years!

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 6:52 am

      ROFL of the day award. I assume you're talking about a retail store? I must admit, the thought of spouting the pre-written apple ethos bullshit on a daily basis might really piss me off too...

  70. Stewart Funderburk
    July 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I was forced to learn Mac's operating
    system after enrolling in a film editing class that exclusively used Final Cut
    Pro.  The switch from PC was foreign to say the least, but once
    grasped, the Mac's interface had me hooked.  Best investment I've made in
    the last decade....a 15" MacBook Pro, in which I used to complete the last
    three semesters of graduate school online. It is indeed, one remarkable piece of engineering.

  71. Chris Cormier
    July 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    On the last argument, "You only need to look at the iPad “competitors” to see how laughable they really are in comparison." I look at almost every tablet so far and laugh.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 6:56 am

      It should be obvious in this day and age that specs alone are not the whole story. Take the Wii, for example. 10 year technology, crap graphics, and still a leading console. It's what you do with that hardware that makes the difference and sells the device. 

      There is a reason iPad owns 96% of the tablet market. Many reasons, in fact. That would be a whole other article though, and I think I've pissed off quite enough people for one week already! ;)

  72. Anon
    July 3, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Are you steaming at the ears now, ready to type an essay long rebuttal
    on why the PC rules? Meh, go ahead but don’t expect a reply other than

    So clearly you didn't make the choice on a rational decision and this article is just you finding reasons to support what you already chose.

    If you can't be convinced out of something, then you didn't pick it due to any logical process. Plain and simple.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:00 am

      What? lol!

      Actually, it's more because I'm well aware of all the rebuttals, arguments, and simply don't have the time to enter a debate. I'm not trying to make a choice here. I make my own choices every day in a reasoned and logical manner. I don't need to find reasons to support what I chose - I happen to own about 6 computers, only 2 of which are Mac. I wrote based on 20 years of experience with computers, not a religious zealot.  

      Besides, we're talking Apple! There is no logic here! It's not like we're debating god or nonsense like that! ;)

  73. Alpha49er
    July 3, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Define your real world needs, project that to 18-24 months in the future, check available cash, go to a store that is touchy feely, tell the sales people to leave you alone, do what you normally do (ie web surf, email, you tube, etc. If you need to ask how to open an email program or other then it isn't "intuitive"). Repeat this at least twice. Make a choice. THAT is the right machine for you. Period.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:02 am

      Good advice, but I feel like the salesperson is going to be biassed, surely? Personally, I would ask a tech friend who has used all kinds of machines, who understands your real requirments and isnt just trying to sell you the latest model, and who is willing to put in the time to help and support with their recommendation (be it a mac, ubuntu, or what have you...)

  74. Alpha49er
    July 3, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    While I was a fan of Apple years ago I feel that they have
    become too restrictive and overly aggressive in their business plan. I left
    Apple mostly because as a computer repair person I was spending all my time
    with Winboxes and the OS problems that abound within that realm. As such I
    needed a Winbox to stay current and professional. Macs didn't have as many of
    those type problems and I didn't spend as much time fixing them. Also, my kids
    have all had the Apple toys (and this is one of my pet peeves) which everyone
    else wants and steals. Since you are required to jump through so many hoops in
    the Apple world regarding the music industry and illegal downloads, I feel Apple
    could easily add a trace program into the BIOS or internal hardware that would
    track each iWhatever and check it with registered ownership and domain/MAC
    addresses. Since they make you pay for each new iThing, you'd think they would
    make it easier to recover what was bought, just like they do with their music.
    Once you buy their music/whatever from the iStore you can only have it on so many
    items and blah blah blah. It's not "really" yours to do with as you want;
    it's yours to do with as long as you follow their restrictions. If they can
    keep track of music and video so easily why not the item itself? The hoops my
    kids have to do when synching new iPods, iPhones etc, when the old ones get
    stolen amazes me.  iTunes is a pain also, whenever I have to upgrade I
    continually have to go in and remove software I didn't want in the first place.
    Apple has just gotten too restrictive, in my opinion; they used to be cool and
    open-minded now they just come across as elitist and contradictory while
    ignoring their customer’s real needs. I just use whatever is at hand but if I
    can buy or build a more powerful unit that meets my needs cheaper than a Apple
    I do so and resale only matters if you plan on selling something later, If I'm
    spending $2K on a computer I'm thinking lifetime commitment. I've built some
    humdinger Winboxes and haven't spent $2K.
    IF I was a graphics artist or had a specialty that required the best then I
    would buy the Apple as a business expense and not look back. If I'm a web
    surfer, email sender then dollar saved is a dollar earned. It all depends on what usage you have for the machine and available dollars in your pocket.

    • John Smith
      July 3, 2011 at 11:13 pm

      "IF I was a graphics artist or had a specialty that required the best then I
      would buy the Apple as a business expense and not look back."

      And the justification for this?
      If you want to write off a huge chunk of your money as a business expense, then I can't argue that.

      But Macs have 0 advantage over any other platform today in graphics (in fact in virtually any use), as the software exists cheaper and works better on Windows and Linux.
      In fact, the only reason you see Macs in such use today is that they are stuck with what they had over the years and the huge investments that came with it. Not because it is better or offers something that does not exist anywhere else.

      • James Bruce
        July 4, 2011 at 7:15 am

        "stuck with what they had over the years"? Wow, is that really what you believe? I gotta say, thats the first time I've ever heard anyone try to argue that one. How many graphic designers/ musicians / creative types do you actually know? Have anyone of them actually told you they only stay with a mac because they're stuck with them now? I seriously doubt that, it sounds more like your own personal conjecture. 

        Anyone, John, I dont think you've ever had experience with a Mac, so you're pretty much just displaying a profound prejudice. 


         You made me LOL. One of your first points was that basically, as a computer repair person, Apple results in no work becuase they dont break! I dont entirely agree though, becuase Apple machines are generally quite hard to upgrade for end users, so they're certainly still a business service you can offer the average user. 

        I'm also not sure about these legal loops and syncing issues you're talking about. I've never downloaded a single track from iTunes store, and I have 7000+ track on my computer. Syncing works just fine, and I've never jumped through any loops. I have jailbroken my phone, but only for the technical fun of it - I certainly dont find any of the hacks available to be of any serious application in real life. For items that are linked to the Apple Store though, having a single sign on makes redownloading apps etc incredibly easy, without having to resort to MAC address tracking (which would be a bit flawed really, since you can sell your computer and presumably all your sings and app would be tied to it?)

        As for your humdinger win boxes, how much are they worth now? Very little, I suspect, and were outdated a month after you bought them. ..

        Anyway, thanks for your input

      • Mulder
        July 4, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        More nonsense from the uninformed. Macs have a distinct advantage over any other platform in the creative and graphic industries; that's why you see them there almost exclusively.

        Just one example is motion picture editing. Throughout the world, Apple's Final Cut Pro is used by the majority of professional film editors, and it only runs on a Mac.

        You may want to take off those blinders and see the world for what it is, instead of what you imagine it to be. The truth will set you free.

        • Christian Hagen
          July 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm

          Ahem.... Actually 85% of Hollywood use Linux to do their special effects and editing. Avatar was made solely on Linux boxes, Pirates of the Caribbean was edited on Linux boxes, Wall-E was made using Linux, Indiana Jones (latest) was edited on Linux boxes, 300 was made on Linux boxes.

          Linux is for the PROFESSIONALS, Apple is for the AMATEURS.

        • James Bruce
          July 11, 2011 at 7:47 am

          Render farms are done with linux, obviously. The sheer cost of licensing OS for that many computers is prohibitive. 

      • Andrew Smith
        July 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm

        Earlier you said "Linux is a failure for the Desktop but rock solid as a server OS." and "Linux desktop has no almost no market except for the curious and the adventurous minimalists who are satisfied with less commercial software." but now you're saying "as the software exists cheaper and works better on Windows and Linux"

        You sir appear to be a troll taking the opposite position of anyone on here.

    • James Bruce
      September 3, 2011 at 8:01 am

      Alpha, I hope you weren't offended by my reply , and if you were then I sincerely apologise. I value all my readers input whether it agrees with me or not. 

  75. p riehl
    July 3, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    I used Macs from 1985 through about 2003, when I switched from two machines and a KVM switch to just PC. I've done a lot of graphic design on PCs since.

    My wife has stuck with Mac (the mini is quite awesome; also, when my son's apartment was broken in several years ago the clunky PC I'd assembled for him went away while the brand new Mini sat undisturbed on his roommate's desk ;-). I am not in a position to judge, nor interested in taking a side in this old and very tiring pissing match. I bought a MacBook Air for travel, and have thought about getting a Mini myself.

    I love the amazing amount of software written for Windows. Used to be you had to pay $29.99 for every bit of functionality that Apple left out. @Mulder thanks for pointing this out - a quick search shows a HUGE change in available freeware from not very long ago - maybe just two years.

    What's your experience in terms of moving files around in day to day work? I find the Finder clunky and annoying - is it just that I'm used to Windows Explorer? Is there an equivalent to the Windows-E keyboard shortcut to bring up a Finder window?

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:25 am

      Interesting. I dont have too much of an issue with moving files around by just opening a new finder window, but I dont think there's a universal open finder shortcut that I know of. Curious, now you made me think about it! Generally I access files directly with the help of spotlight or freeware add-on alfred, so having to actually move files just doesnt come up so often. If I do, it's usually only a few steps away from whatever is on the finder sidebar (eg documents -> development -> site x). I guess that's also one of the points in Mac's favour - using your computer becomes less about the day to day *management* tasks associated with computing, and more about just getting stuff done. 

      • p riehl
        July 4, 2011 at 1:37 pm

        Thanks for the tips. Alfred looks very useful, though it tells my my docs folder contains 120gb of space on a 60gb drive. Hmmm.

        I have a minimalist streak that enjoys the 'management' - call it decluttering, simplifying. You won't find a multi-terabyte drive here ;-) What I get into is creating dozens and dozens of graphics files while developing a project, which I imagine would be equally chaotic to manage in OSX. My real-life experience is when I have to work on my wife's Mac. She's definitely not into file management.

    • Mulder
      July 4, 2011 at 8:40 pm

      "Is there an equivalent to the Windows-E keyboard shortcut to bring up a Finder window?"

      Yes. If you're in the Finder, Command-N opens a Finder window. If a Finder window is already open, Command-N opens another one when you're in the Finder.

  76. Xin
    July 3, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Argument for price.  Want to use OSX but don't want to shell out the cash?  Hackintosh.
    "But Xin," you say, "Then I won't get to use the any of the highly rated apple support programs."
    You just saved $1,500 and built it at home.  Save some of your geek cred and fix the damn thing yourself.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:32 am

      Bullshit. I've built two hackintoshes over the years, and both were a difficult pile of doody to get working properly with kexts and bootloaders and ... dammit, I want to do work, not mess around with drivers. That's the point.

      The day someone figures out a 100% native OSX compatible piece of hardware that can be installed straight off retail disk will be a good day. I doubt it will happen though. 

    • James Bruce
      September 3, 2011 at 8:02 am

      Xin, sorry if my language offended you. Your input is always welcome.

  77. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    I use what I use because it is what I have used. True for anyone else?

    • Xin
      July 3, 2011 at 7:45 pm

      Family is 99% Windows users.  Grew up a windows user.  Used Macs in high school.  Liked it.  Ran with it.  End of story.

      Why does everyone argue about this stuff?  haha

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 7:30 am

      No. I'm not one to just stick in my ways if there's a better solution out there. And I'll be the first to jump on Windows 8 to see how that goes with an open mind. 

  78. Cate Eales
    July 3, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    If you're the kind of person who feels the need to reinstall Windows every six months, the for crying out loud, BACK UP YOUR DRIVERS!  Geeze!  And it kills me how one of the most oft-cited reasons for owning a mac is that it runs Windows.  My Gateway runs Windows, too, and it's not an over-priced, over-rated elitist piece of crap.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 8:08 am

      Does it run OSX too? The point is the mac runs both. Perhaps you could think a little more logically about why people "oft-cite" those reasons, because they clearly mean something. 

      Backing up drivers - good thought. I'd rather not have to do that though, you know? And those kinds of utilities didn't always exist. Seems they were developed out of a need. 

      • Cate Eales
        July 4, 2011 at 6:53 pm

        Why would I want to run OSX?

        I've been backing up drivers since Windows 95.  Maybe those utilities didn't exist before that.  Takes about a minute.

        • Mulder
          July 4, 2011 at 8:31 pm

          "Why would I want to run OS X?"

          I just can't imagine why. After all, it is better, there are no viruses, people are more productive using Macs, they're cheaper to own, etc. They are not, as you want others to believe, "over priced, over-rated elitist piece[s] of crap." That's a pejorative — an emotional response not based on any rational thought.

        • Mr Igloo
          July 5, 2011 at 3:04 am

          I'm curious, how are they cheaper to own?

        • James Bruce
          July 5, 2011 at 7:48 am

          I get bored posting the same thing over and over, sorry. If you read the comments, you'll find the same link to a proper examination of total cost of ownership posted many times. 

  79. Macjoy
    July 3, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    It's all true! I work in computer support and work with both platforms. Windows keeps support very busy. Macs just work without being a magnet for every virus, hack or malware known to mankind. If you value your time at all, Mac OS X is a solid and reliable OS.

    There are plenty of applications available for OS X. Have you bothered to look on Typically people throw out the "not enough apps" meme when they really haven't bothered to look. Relying on extremely old information (circa 1998) to argue one's case reveals a lack of research.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:30 am

      Thanks Macjoy!

  80. George
    July 3, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    I just wanted you to know that you made me cry when you mentioned your Amstrad. My first computer was an Amstrad CPC that I purchased at Macys, of all places. Since then, I've never even talked with anyone who knew what they were. You brought a flood of happy memories back. Thanks! :)

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:30 am

      You ever play Jet Set Willy? AWESOME!

  81. Anon
    July 3, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    What was this article all about? Oh! this guy was tring to sell me a mac!

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:31 am

      I dont own Apple share, what do I stand to gain from this? The satisfaction your personal computing is now better? Like I care...

  82. Danny Stieben
    July 3, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    As is 1000% expected of me, here is my response:

    Neither PC nor Mac wins.

    Linux has a great base system that works well. Unless you get into the proprietary stuff, you don't need to install drivers either as they're built into the kernel itself. It also supports more than Macs do in the end because you can still stick a lot more hardware into your computer without it barfing.

    Also, the desktop is experience is much more customizeable. You can run GNOME. You can even add a dock if you want it to be a bit more Mac-ish. Don't like it. Fine, dump GNOME for KDE and run that. You'll still be happily chugging along on Linux.

    Linux's only downfall? The big boys don't give a crap about supporting it the right way. It's very possible, and experiments have shown that Linux is a marketable platform (i.e. People tend to pay more for good software when they're running Linux than any other platform. Just look at the stats for the Humble Indie Bundle). If Adobe and the rest would actually give effort into making their products work as well as they can, Linux would be more golden than Windows and Mac combined. But even now things work well enough to get stuff done and happily use your computer.

    Ok, I'm done now. :D

    • John Smith
      July 3, 2011 at 7:32 pm

      Linux fails when it comes to hardware support and ease of use for the average Joe user, which is one of the "strong" points this article tried to make.
      Not everyone out there is willing or even understands how to compile his kernel to add support for that hardware that the manufacturer never released a driver and only a community driver is available. Linux is a failure for the Desktop but rock solid as a server OS.

      • Danny Stieben
        July 3, 2011 at 7:53 pm

        When was the last time you used Linux? I never have to compile a kernel and there are plenty of graphical configuration utilities in KDE. All the "complicated" settings exist in other operating systems as well. I haven't had any hardware issues with all six or seven systems I've tried it on in my house.

        • John Smith
          July 3, 2011 at 11:10 pm

          I use it every day, at work and at home. YOUR personal experience != the real world out there.
          I guess you never came across those printers/scanners that needed a community driver and never had official driver for them?
          Have you tried installing one?
          Obviously not.

          Also, you are probably new or fairly new to Linux, either that, or you don't have a serious use for it.
          Note: Browsing the Internet is not a serious use.
          Linux desktop has no almost no market except for the curious and the adventurous minimalists who are satisfied with less commercial software.

          In fact it is a shrinking market, even iOS and Android shares are more than the Linux desktop share.
          That should tell you something.

        • Andrew Smith
          July 4, 2011 at 12:20 am

          Why do you use a failure of an operating system at home and work?

      • Andrew Smith
        July 3, 2011 at 8:05 pm

        Maybe other people have experienced different things, but, I've installed Ubuntu on several laptops and have not yet had a hardware issue, all my printers and scanners work too, even the printer that doesn't work on a family member's mac.

        In fact, the first time I attached a printer to a Linux machine (Fedora at the time) I was confused because immediately it said my hardware was ready to use and I thought to myself "how can that be?"

        Ease of use has come a long way too. I question when the last time you used a modern Linux distro as a desktop because your experiences with it, or supposed knowledge of it seems dated.

        The only hardware I'd expect not to work is obscure hardware. If you have something strange, something really proprietary then there could indeed be issues.

        I have no idea how to compile a kernel, I've never needed to and Ubuntu has been my primary OS for 3 years now.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:32 am

      My wifi card aint supported for one!

      • Andrew Smith
        July 5, 2011 at 2:47 am

        I believe it, it does happen, I would just object to saying that it is the norm.

  83. Sollym
    July 3, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Distasteful & incomplete.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:33 am

      I have a word limit to work to, sorry. Perhaps you'd like to me write a part 2?! Happy to oblige!

      • Contented Windows-er
        July 10, 2011 at 12:12 pm

        Yes, a part 2 is welcome. I would love a part 2, with 
        -no windows bashing-I use windows already and if there is anything bad with it, I already know
        -real mac experience description-I don't care whether Apple switched to Intel or how good Steve Jobs is at presentations. I want to know how better the user experience is on a mac, for everyday use, for heavy use etc. I don't have a mac, I might be buying a computer soon, I really want to know what I'm missing out. I have  failed to see how macs/iOS are more user friendly when i failed to immediately navigate around them after first use of a friend's laptop. (I get annoyed by mac and iPhone users who come to me for help on the most simple of tasks-I can help Windows users but not mac-users as I have no experience, so could part 2 address how iOS is "easier to do everyday tasks" as according to Apple philosophy. 
        -the truth and nothing but the truth-if macs crash too, then let it out...

        • James Bruce
          July 11, 2011 at 7:36 am

          Ok, thats fair enough so I'll give it a go - I'm not sure my overlord editors will approve a part 2 though, but we'll see!

  84. Andrew Smith
    July 3, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    You can run OSX on a PC (admittedly not easily)... Hackintosh.

    • John Smith
      July 3, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      Yep, and on much cheaper hardware without the tyranny of Apple attached to it.

    • Anonymous
      July 4, 2011 at 12:52 am

      Which is illegal and doesn't give you the full OS X experience.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:33 am

      And you can spend hours buggering around kexts and bootloaders. Woot. 

  85. Mulder
    July 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    "As far as I was concerned, on an Intel platform I would be far more able
    to switch out the hard drive, change the memory, and use existing files
    and data – not to mention thousands of USB peripherals that would work."

    Unfortunately, Mr. Bruce, this is a false and irrational argument. There was nothing stopping any user from changing hard drives, RAM, or "use existing files and data" when Mac OS X was on PowerPC systems. And there still isn't.

    The processor in use has no effect on this and never has.

    • John Smith
      July 3, 2011 at 7:16 pm

      You keep claiming that anyone's opinion is irrational and false, but see no problems in your own irrational statements that Apple is smarter when they don't allow hardware upgrades, yet come back few minutes later and claim that there is nothing stopping the user from upgrading or changing the Mac hardware.

      • Mulder
        July 3, 2011 at 7:21 pm

        I've never said anything irrational, and certainly not that Apple is smarter. I also never said they don't allow hardware upgrades. Those are your statements which you are attempting to attribute to me.

        You should go back and carefully re-read what I wrote, then come back when you fully understand what is being said.

        • John Smith
          July 3, 2011 at 7:29 pm

          Typical reply from someone like you when get caught posting irrational statements while accusing others of doing so.
          Don't worry, no one accused you of understanding how ironic and unintelligent your posts were.

        • John Smith
          July 3, 2011 at 7:39 pm

          Was it not you who posted this nonsense?
          "As far as getting a new graphics card, there's a good reason that Apple
          doesn't allow this: it would make supporting their computers far more
          difficult and expensive than it is currently."

          Are you saying that you didn't imply that Apple is smart for doing that?
          Or are you saying that Apple is not smart or dumb when you said "there's a good reason that Apple
          doesn't allow this"?
          You seem to be rather confused and have a short memory span buddy. A typical of Mac fan boy. We are here to debate the advantage of one platform over the other, you know, the point of this article, not flame every other post calling it "irrational and false argument" just because you are a Mac fan while others post their real world experiences.

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:38 am

          I doubt my opinion matters anymore, but inability to upgrade hardware is a valid argument I agree. In an ideal I would be able to afford a Mac pro, but I cant, so had to make do with non-upgradeable iMac. 

          Having said that, in my PC era I was constantly upgrading to either get the new windows or play the latest games. Since switching to 90% macs, I dont *need* to upgrade that often anymore, and I simply dont play games on it. I keep a PC and Xbox360 for that! (Yes, BOTH is the best way to go, I believe)

        • Mulder
          July 4, 2011 at 1:04 pm

          Actually, you're the one who's confused and sadly misinformed. Whatever you think is being implied is a product of your imagination, as it has never been said.

          Your memory is the one that's lacking here, bubba. And you have no real experience in what you're talking about; otherwise you wouldn't be trolling and attacking facts. That's what irrational people do, and you are clearly irrational.

        • Philip Jensen
          July 9, 2011 at 12:06 am

          This thread would be a lot shorter, less tedious to read and much more pleasant without your schoolyard insults, Ms Mulder (You are! No, you are!)
          These comment threads need a button where one can lose the angry, unpleasant troll posts (and these responses, naturally) and just see the posts that concentrate on the actual discourse and have something useful to say beyond their first post
          How about it, MUO?
          Alternatively, you could just take the hint and give it a rest...
          Flamers and trolls invariably operate under nom de guerre
          It's the bravery that comes with anonymity
          Perhaps I should just invoke Godwin's Law and stop the lot

        • James Bruce
          July 11, 2011 at 7:49 am

          Well, I have a delete button, but I'd rather not use it lest be accused of censorship, you know?

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:34 am

      That's why I prefaced it with "as far as I was concerned". It was indeed incorrect, but this is how I thought of it at the time, and it was *why* the intel switch attracted me personally, wrong or not. 

  86. Jwmort
    July 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    AppleCare.  Always have it, always renew it.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:39 am

      Good point, thought I havent ever used it myself. 

  87. John Smith
    July 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    You forgot the main reason why you switched to a Mac.
    You are someone who have problems using computers and can't do the math.

    Mac has a better value over time? Are you serious? Apple drops support for its own hardware within, what, 1 year?
    And then the ultra crippleware that you are so happy with called OS X.
    Just to do basic things, you have to hack it.
    Of course you don't need drivers, there are not much hardware options for you to search for drivers. Intelligent or even semi-intelligent users on Windows buy hardware from reliable manufacturers, therefore no driver issues exist for us, or almost don't exist for us.
    You don't see the irony in your article claiming that one of the reasons/advantages of Macs over PC that they can run Windows. So you pay more just to run Windows inside a virtual machine? Does that make sense? Does that make your article coming from an intelligent user or just from a Mac fan boy?
    Oh yeah, Steve jobs presents Apple products, there's a real reason why we should all switch to Macs.
    I agree with whoever said that makeuseof is getting desperate for articles, since it allowed for such a disgraceful article to get published.

    • Guest
      July 4, 2011 at 7:32 am

      They're getting desperste for articles? It obviously got you here.

      • James Bruce
        July 4, 2011 at 9:49 am


    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:49 am

      My imac is a year old now, and as far as I'm aware support hasnt been dropped for it. I assume youre talking about an iphone 3g or something? That was 3 years ago that it launched, but yes.. Apple mobile devices generally outdate faster than the computers do. I'm not sure if this isnt inherent in the business though, i certainly dont upgrade my phone any more often than I used to. Perhaps its just becuase the mobile space does move so quickly. 

      And what are you talking about hacking osx to do basic things? Back that up with a real argument, please. To do what precisely are you hacking it for?

      Youre mixing a cost argument with the ability to run windows? No, I dont pay more just to run windows. The fact remains though that I *can* run windows on it, and I *cant* run osx on a windows machine. 

      And as for giving YOU a reason to switch to macs, perhaps you should reread the title. I wrote MY reasons for switching (although technically, that wasnt a reason but something I see now as a reason for sticking). You can do whatever you like, and if you dont think its an article you'll enjoy then dont read it, I'm not forcing you too. There's tons of other content every day, and you are free to stick to the windows / linux categories if you like your world view narrowed because of your own pig headed ignorance. 

      • Dustin
        July 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm

        With everyone on mac hardware, the hardware is very good and are very well built machines.  I like the hardware because it tends to be the best for the machine your buying.  And you can customize the hardware when you purchase the mac, you can also upgrade the hardware it just has to be mac authorized hardware or it does not work right.
        On OSx, I have windows, linux, and my wife's mac book with leopard.  What I have noticed on OSx is that overtime they force you to upgrade your system by making the other apple software products (iLife, etc.) stop working or not being able to access the new features.  I have never had a problem with current software on my windows machine it always updates with the new features.This may be because I am not a mac user by any far stretch of the imagination.  Both windows and macs can be hacked.  To think that an OS that is installed can't be hacked just means that your not a hacker.  I have seen some awesome hacks on a mac (one to make it feel exactly like a windows computer, it looks like a pc, it chirps like a pc, but its UNIX (oh sorry MAC)).  I have seen and done awesome hacks on a PC. (you can do the same to a pc, it looks like a mac, feels like a mac, but its a pc.) 

        If you want to tinker then Linux (any distro) is the way to go.  It is open source just for that reason.

        Now for closing, In my experiences.  I can do anything on my PC that I can on my mac.  Neither are better at doing something else, JUST DIFFERENT.  As for the comment about media firms using macs, that is because Macromedia started with only being mac supported back in the early 90's.  It is just a general saying that has stuck with mac.  I own a media development company and we develop websites on PC's (we learned on PC's), my graphic artist works from a mac (he learned graphics arts on a mac).

        All in all it comes down to what your comfortable with plain and simple.

  88. Khal Mojo
    July 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    This is a long list of reasons to not go Apple.

    No drivers? Sorry, but there's a reason this is a very bad thing. I've used unofficial drivers before that perform far better than the official drivers. I think back to trying Linux and not being able to use my Logitech MX 518 mouse like I could with Windows. Why? No drivers. I just installed a new graphics card and saved myself having to buy an overly expensive (oh, but the resale value!!!) new machine. Why would I want to be forced to limit my hardware choices and spend countless more dollars on a new computer because of a horrid decision like this?

    Resale value. Really. Like a Apple hipster is going to actually buy a used Mac, with a sticky keyboard (it was juice!)

    • Mulder
      July 3, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      It's not a bad idea at all; you just don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing stopping you from using an "unofficial" driver; if it works for you, that's the important thing.

      As far as getting a new graphics card, there's a good reason that Apple doesn't allow this: it would make supporting their computers far more difficult and expensive than it is currently. This is exactly the reason that no PC maker supports those upgrades, too; they only support the Windows OS.

      Your argument fails, so I guess that means you're a failure.

      • Khal Mojo
        July 3, 2011 at 7:02 pm

        Actually, you've got a big gaping hole in your argument. Apple is not simply a software manufacturer like Microsoft; it's also the hardware manufacturer.

        If Apple allows you to install drivers, then the OP is false.

        • Mulder
          July 3, 2011 at 7:06 pm

          No, the OP isn't false. Apple computers as shipped require no extra drivers. If the included driver, or the manufacturer's driver for their peripheral device fails to perform as it should or as you want it to, there's nothing to stop you from installing and using an "unofficial" driver.

          You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

        • Xin
          July 3, 2011 at 7:36 pm

          Where, there is a difference.  When I buy some hardware, let's say a printer or camera, it usually comes with a driver CD.  If I were to use those items on a Windows PC, I would generally need to start by installing the drivers.

          Now when I was closer to first starting out using Macs I was always worried because there were never any instructions for installing drivers so the items would be supported on a Mac.  The best thing I could do was just plug it in.  Most of the time that was all that's needed.

        • Simen
          July 3, 2011 at 9:05 pm

          Windows also have the "just plug it in and it works" feature.

        • Anonymous
          July 4, 2011 at 12:49 am

          They try. It's not the same. 

        • JJ
          July 4, 2011 at 6:53 pm

          That's right...  Windows will tell you that it doesn't have a driver.  A Mac that doesn't have a driver for a device will just ignore it.

          I'm writing this comment on a Mac right now.  Windows and Mac OS X have their pros and cons, but they're just operating systems.  When you start using most of the major applications (that are just about all cross-platform) then the differences are merely cosmetic.  Pressing Command vs. Control is usually the biggest difference.

        • Anonymous
          July 4, 2011 at 10:15 pm

          None of my applications are major applications. In fact, most people only have one major application or suite, and that's MS Office. Most of my apps are Mac-only apps.

          Secondly, why does the OS need to distract you with the fact that the driver isn't working? You can tell, when the device doesn't work!

      • Khal Mojo
        July 3, 2011 at 7:03 pm

        Also, that last line is pretty pathetic. Stop being so butt hurt.

      • Trevor Lenten
        July 3, 2011 at 8:45 pm

        quit trolling

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:51 am

      Sticky keyboard, like it.  ;)

      The point about drivers though - I guess you're what's termed a tinkerer - you like hacking stuff, finding the drivers, customizing things. That's cool too man. But I dont think the average user particular wants to hunt down unofficial drivers, I really think they just want something that works off the bat. 

  89. Michelbasilieres
    July 3, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    that old "macs just work" line was never true. And it was way better before OSX.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:53 am


  90. Anomaly
    July 3, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I use Windows, Mac, and several different distros of Linux. I use all of them every day.  They all have their strong points and faults. I have no loyalty to any of the platforms and do no get involved the OS wars. Having said that I am very close to kicking Mac to the curb. My final decision will be made when Lion is released.

    My problem with Mac is iOS. I will never own a iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. Now Mac OS X is becoming too much like iOS I have had enough.  Apple's decision to only release lion through the app store and no disc is the final piece of Mac BS I will tolerate. As it stands now if you are running Leopard you will need to buy Snow Leopard install and than buy Lion through the app store and upgrade. There is no option for a clean install. This the most idiotic ass baward upgrade process and coming from a company that claims their stuff "just works"is a joke. I refuse to be locked into an app store or iTunes just to use the computer. Unless something changes between now and when Lion is released Mac will be history for me.

    • Arthur
      July 3, 2011 at 10:44 pm
    • Anonymous
      July 3, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      "There is no option for a clean install."

      You would be wrong there. When Lion is downloaded it makes a small partition on your Hard Drive and you boot from that partition to install or upgrade. If you want a Clean install, you just delete the other partition and tell it to install. Simple as that.

      • James Bruce
        July 4, 2011 at 9:54 am

        Thanks Jason, I had no idea about that. 

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:55 am

      "Unless something changes between now and when Lion is released Mac will be history for me."

      Thats in about 10 days isnt it?

      Oh well, I'll reserve judgement on Lion and the app store only upgrade until I try it myself. 

  91. Ricki Ohana
    July 3, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Despite the cost, I can say I wish I had gone from pc to Mac a long time ago. It's a whole different ball game. 

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:55 am

      So, have you?

      • Ricki Ohana
        July 4, 2011 at 2:03 pm

        Yes I sure did and I can only say good things about my Mac, something I cannot say about pc's. My pc was always having SOME problem every single day, [for five years], unlike my Mac. I have it more than a year now and I am still in awe every morning when I wake it up. Never had a problem with it but that's because I prefer to be careful than sorry. 

  92. Trevor Lenten
    July 3, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Macs are very well built machines but I can not stand Apple as a whole.

    • Mulder
      July 3, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      As usual, an irrational person making an irrational argument. That's always a good reason to make any decision.

      • Khal Mojo
        July 3, 2011 at 7:00 pm

        Trevor didn't make any argument, which is "an address or composition intended to convince or persuade; persuasive discourse."

      • Trevor Lenten
        July 3, 2011 at 8:43 pm

        I actually don't think I was arguing, just stating one general opinion. To expand on my opinion on not liking Apple inc. I will say that I don't like how they act like they are Gods gift to computing and electronics as a whole, and I don't like the fact that they think they should "own" terms such as "app store", it's quite sickening to think of. So therefore I don't support them in any way shape or form, in fact I avoid anything of theirs like the plague, which is my right. In fact I don't like windows either which is why I am writing this from my Ubuntu powered lappie.

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:58 am

          Certainly shouldnt be able to own "app store" or anything beginning with the letter i. There are many, many things wrong with the patent and trademark system though, but apple does seem to be a bit greedy in that respect. Again though, not really something that affects my computing experience. 

          You get karma points for using linux though. 

        • Anonymous
          July 8, 2011 at 7:07 pm

          Here's the thing - if you've ever been involved with any kind of patent/branding/trademark/copyright/ intellectual property dispute - you will quickly learn that you either make "all reasonable efforts" (legalese) to protect and advance your brand...  or you will lose it.   

          Apple,  and pretty much any other large corporation has to take that pro-active approach (sue you before you sue us) in protecting their brands - or they can kiss those brands good-bye.  For Apple, it's litigating anything with an "i" in front of it.  

          During the dot-com boom of 2000-ish we had a software developer client (small company - but who produced a very important industry-specific vertical on-premises application) who successfully challenged a globally-funded mega-corp for a particular "e-Brand" ... and won in court.  

          "Little Co." had been consistent in defending its brand over the years with a well-established track record of cease and desist letters, trademark infringement actions,  etc etc   and because of that,  the court ruled that  "Big Corp" used it only occasionally and casually  and therefore had not established "reasonable efforts" to protect it.   So,  after a year of wrangling -  they lost.  

          The big company actually had to re-name their web product line -- re-print all their collateral  --  re-work all their big media advertising... etc etc.   No doubt it cost them $$Millions to comply with the court order,  and they also lost a couple of years of brand-awareness that they may have created. 
          Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger. Apple has to defend and protect its brand or someone else will be using it. 

      • Mr Igloo
        July 3, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        Just like every day people buy Chevys or Fords because they can't stand Fords or Chevys. (applies to Coke and Pepsi; Budweiser and Miller)

        Never mind the rational that a PC is still the cheapest way to get into a computer for a new buyer and does quite satisfactorily what most people are going to use a computer for.

      • Rarian Rakista
        July 4, 2011 at 9:20 am

        Always had more problems myself with cooling in any Apple product than I have had with custom built PCs.  Since I work in an environment that reaches 90 degrees without air conditioning this is vital.  The last Mac I had, a Quadra, burnt out 2 months over warranty.  

        • terrybbarton
          July 4, 2011 at 1:26 pm

          Quadra was before the Intel processor and even MAC OS X. So it was the old tech the author used as why he didn't buy Apple.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:57 am

      Well, on the other hand I quite like Microsoft as a whole, and Bill Gates is doing wonderful charity work that goes above and beyond and other entrepeneur, ever, and for that I applaud him. But that doesnt really affect my choice of computer, you know?

      • Trevor Lenten
        July 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm

        A very good point. Steve Ballmer on the other hand is a douche IMO. 

  93. Jeffery Fabish
    July 3, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I think MakeUseOf is getting desperate for articles.  

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 9:59 am

      No one asked you to read it, dude. We publish a lot, feel free to skip over the occassional one. 

      • Anonymous
        July 4, 2011 at 5:42 pm

        I agree with a lot of the negative comments here. Not all but most.

        Trying to ask this in the positive way....
        What happened to " Meh, go ahead but don’t expect a reply other than “lol”. "

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:31 pm

          I pretty much failed at that one, eh? "sigh"

    • Bakari
      July 4, 2011 at 7:30 pm

      Jefferey, believe me, as a writer for MUO, I can tell you, there's no desperation for articles and material. If you're a frequent visitor to MUO, you should know that James' article is among the many topics we write about. I've written tons of articles on Mac related software and hardware, and will be writing more. So no, we're not desperate for articles. MUO provides more absolutely FREE content than what you will get in paid magazine subscriptions. I think we're getting close to 10,000 articles. If Mac articles are not what you like to read, no problem, there's lots more on here. 

      • Aibek
        July 4, 2011 at 7:35 pm

        I second that!

  94. Deskcon
    July 3, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    If someone ever uses resale value in this debate . . .well lets just say I have never heard anyone mention this in regards to computers. Its a stretch to say the least.

    Pretending cost and resale value mean the same thing to computer users is a huge fail.

    I enjoyed the read, however this is more like a road map to how the barriers of your preconceived notions got broken down, rather than 8 reason why Apple is better. My preconceived notions are much more resilient than yours.

    Thanks for the read.

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 10:00 am

      Sorry, I was trying to avoid the word Total Cost of Ownership, as i thought it might be a bit.. business like? Techy? Thats why I simplified to something like resale value, or rather "retained value"

    • Mr Igloo
      July 5, 2011 at 2:50 am

      The only time I would consider resale value was if I was buying a Mac. PCs are cheap enough that it is not a concern, for me.

  95. Dude
    July 3, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    "....For someone used to reinstalling Windows on a half-yearly basis..."  Whom are you referring to.? Guys who do this for fun every 6 months? Or are you assuming Windows crashes like twice a year? 

    • James Bruce
      July 4, 2011 at 10:01 am

      Me, I did it. Still do. Windows get slow, full of crap. Reinstalling fixes that. Nothing more. 

      • Aiosjhod
        July 4, 2011 at 1:06 pm

        do not install all kind of useless crap and u won't need to reinstall. I have windows 7 installed on my pc over a year ago and it still runs as smooth as it did on the first day even though i was using it alot for programming, gaming etc.

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 9:42 pm

          If I didnt install that useless crap, the machine would be pretty useless to me. I guess thats another reason I like running a virtual machine for testing purposes now, then I can just reset it back to zero really easily. 

        • Philharmania
          July 5, 2011 at 5:16 am

          If you are already aware of virtual machine, why then are you still making your machine full of crap and have to reinstall it twice a year?:/

        • Za3mOn
          July 5, 2011 at 11:03 am

          LOL gotcha!

      • Akshay Zade
        July 9, 2011 at 9:55 am

        Uh... you know what, you need to change the hardware. I'm not talking about your computer, I'm talking about yourself! And the thing which you call productivity - checking mails and browsing - I think we have passed that era years ago! Windows Mobile (yeah, it still exists) is been doing that before the times of iPhone. And its no closed ecosystem, really? Oh, how open it is! you can connect all your iDevices 'openly' to the Mac. And of course, iTunes is open source, so you can mod it in your way and play .mkv on iPad. Anyway, I own all that stuff, PC, Mac, Linux. Windows Mobile, (again, still exists) Android, iOS, Symbian (sorry for this one), Windows phone 7! And did anybody say file system? Just drag your media to iDevice's music folder and voila! Music in in iPod! Wow.
        What kind of fun do you have installing Windows every 6 months? I have machines running it for more than 2 years, nothing wrong. You don't have bad experiences with Mac because, you can't play with it! Its like, 'Mom, I won't play on ground to stay fit! No scratches, no wounds!'

        • James Bruce
          July 11, 2011 at 7:59 am

          Checking emails and browsing = productivity? Is that all you do with your PC? I develop websites, thanks. Quite a few, every day. 

          Please rewrite a coherent argument *before* commenting. I play MKV files just fine on my iPad, streaming from a video server on my iMac. I dont want to put them on the device, that would take far too much space. If you really iTunes to manage your download movies for you, then convert them. Otherwise, stop whinging. 

          And before you consider debasing your argument to personal insults, consider that I probably have far more experience of "playing" with hardware, OSes and everything else over the years than you.

        • James Bruce
          September 3, 2011 at 7:48 am

          Akshay, I'm deeply sorry if my reply below offended you. Your opinion is a valid input, and I do appreciate the time you took to post it. Please, forgive me and do come back to post again. 

  96. Do
    July 3, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    lol :)

  97. Skyler Huse
    July 3, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I personally can't stand the closed ecosystem that Apple has with their products.  When I had to use a Mac for some classes, it was hard for me to get used to.  There are very few good free programs for OS X and I just felt like Windows could do more.

    • Mulder
      July 3, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      "There are very few good free programs for OS X and I just felt like Windows could do more."

      Then you obviously aren't looking for any "free" or open source programs for Mac OS X, since they're all over. If Windows could do more, then why did their ad agency have to use Macs to produce all their TV ads? It's not as though Microsoft or their OEM partners couldn't have provided them with loaners and software to accomplish those effects. But the truth is that Windows wasn't capable of doing those things.

      And there is no closed ecosystem with Apple products. That statement alone demonstrates your lack of knowledge about their products, and the term itself.

      • Mr Igloo
        July 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm

        I don't really understand the why, but it is a pretty much given that Macs are the dominant computer in advertising, graphics and video, so it's no surprise that an agency would use those tools to do their job.

        Also, you contradict yourself when you say that MS, or their OEM partners, could have loaned them tools to make those commercials, then say that Windows isn't capable.

        • Mulder
          July 4, 2011 at 12:54 pm

          There's no contradiction at all. Skyler says he's always though Windows could do more than  a Mac. I've merely provided the evidence that it can't.

          You really need to learn how to read.

        • Mr Igloo
          July 5, 2011 at 2:48 am

          Saying something is so is not providing evidence. And yes, that is a contradiction. Let me explain: First you say that MS could have loaned the equipment and software to accomplish (i.e. GET DONE) what they were using Macs for THEN you say that Windows is simply not capable (i.e. CAN'T DO). So you see, you say MS could have given them the equipment tools to get the job done, but then you say that the tools aren't capable of the job you just said they could do.


        • jelabarre
          July 8, 2011 at 9:26 pm

          No, what he said was **IF** Windows had been capable of the task, then MS & their OEMs could have loaned the equipment & software.   But since it was *not* capable of it, then it wouldn't make sense to even try.
          That said, I'd agree with Skyler Huse on the closed ecosystem bit.  Really don't feel like being beholden to Lords Jobs & Gates, so that's why I run Linux.  But if I could afford it, I would consider a Mac Mini as a media center & such.  Would want network transparency for native Mac apps, though,, and I don't see that happening.

        • Anonymous
          July 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm

          The "why" is that Apple  got a foothold in those industries early-on - even before the release of the Mac.  For example - for years  Quark was the de-facto standard for any pre-press work, because there literally WAS NO equivalent on the PC side. I worked at a commercial printer at that time - Our first desktop publishing rigs were pre-mac...Apple computers with the monochrome full-page portrait display.  There was no "Windows" yet either - the closest competition was OS/2.  Because the pre-print software was all Apple - Font manipulation was all Apple... then the workflow backed up to photo/image manipulation on Apple hardware as well - again, for several years there was no PC equivalent.  Ditto for music production.  This was at least two full years before the Mac was released  - Apple had already gained a near monopoly in those industries.   When the Mac was released, Apple's leadership in those areas was already established and the new graphical interface made it just that much easier for non-technical artist types.  It made a lot of sense (and still does).  Meanwhile, the back-office was buying PCs and running Visicalc. 

        • Liberation Ecologist
          July 8, 2011 at 11:38 pm

          You're the only person I've ever read in a mac/pc hate session that has put the finger on precisely why certain sections of industry used apple product and still do today
          Aside from that, the price comparison shows that unless you have "more money than sense" or someone else is paying (tax deductible workplace machines) you'd be an idiot to pay 4 times the price for the same basic spec, even if the product is superior on some levels. It's not that good that it's worth that price...
          I don't buy things from crooks who charge prices that lack of "economy-of-scale excuse" cannot justify
          Same goes for Steve's phones

        • blahKing
          July 22, 2011 at 1:59 pm

          true true true! thats why i bought a second hand mac air for only $980AUD which at the time it is worth $1999, well i mean now it sells for $1999, i wouldn't have bought it unless is this cheap. 

          after using it for 3months, i actually find that osx does win over win7 by alot, the way it do things is easier, cleaner and faster(also sexier if you get emo over their aesthetic ). I'm speaking this as a [graphic/web designer/developer perspective] and exclude gaming

          here is a list why
          - super easier to setup/install everything (well those that it is available for mac ofcos, which is like 85% of what windows has)
          - nix like environment, and windows virtual machine(with no driver issues, most windows app works [for the developers]
          - easier to access of files and window management
          - multitouch, currently better than any non-mac mimics [good for designers]
          - lots mini apps, but! you wont feel cluttered like windows does, the windows expose clone still dont make you feel home as a real mac expose
          - multi tasking, you can open numerous heavy weight programs and it dosent hog your hardware like windows does, unless if you really lag it, you can go apply some heavy filters to a 1g raw image and watch a hd avi, and virtualize 2os etc than you can kill it.

          things i hate
          - yup theres numerous windows only app which i enjoy! its will not be available on mac, unless these developers would port it, eg: thunder download accelerator, best of all download accelerator, PPS free online vedio streaming, well this is only for the chinese background people, so for you hulu guys, nothing to worry about.
          - it no longer have the convertable option!!!! i miss my tx2500, why did it get overheated and left me!!!!! i will still go buy a windows machine just for this! probably the e-slate or the next version of tm series.

          but yeah, most stuff you do on windows other than gaming, you can do it with mac easily, the only question is how much you willing to give for that benefits. As some claims it dosent worth the money, well people who gets mac that dosnt complaining makes more money then you, it is just like people who spend money to get things done faster/easier comparing to those who saves money and do it themself. So my point of view is mac definitely superior than windos as a OS,<---i say os. and the build quality of the hardware is also good, which this isnt a windows fault, it is just that windows manufactures are tring to provide everyone on the planet with a affordable price

          given that the mac os is better, if one day all mac products are half priced than everyone include you will go for mac. and from that point on you will no longer need to worry about the software availibility.

          PS: i dont like jobs or any evil commercial organisations leaders, but i do admire them! :)

        • James Bruce
          July 11, 2011 at 7:43 am

          Thanks Bloughmee!

        • Snappy
          September 1, 2011 at 6:14 am

          you are exactly right.

      • Mjneish
        July 4, 2011 at 12:15 am

        No closed ecosystem for apple products? What the app store for then?

        • James Bruce
          July 4, 2011 at 10:05 am

          It's not the only way to buy apps. I have yet to purchase an app from there, lion will be my first. It is however a great direct retail channel for developers to get their apps out there. 

          *** oh wait, sorry, youre talking about the iPhone? In that case, true. But wasnt that a tactical decision to make sure nothing bad got on there and hence ruin the user experience? I dont particular have a problem with it. It's not like I wake up and think, "dammit, I wish there was another store where I could buy my iPhone apps"! Do you? Or is this more an ethical argument?

      • Rarian Rakista
        July 4, 2011 at 9:18 am

        It is because designers are raised in the closed ecosystem of Macintosh land and often are the only people in any company that have macs.  This is true in any industry. 

      • Snappy
        September 1, 2011 at 6:11 am

        What are your options for buying apps, where do you go?  Do you have a choice when you go app shopping?  The very definition of closed.  Get over yourself - that statement alone demonstrates your lack of knowledge about their products and ecosystem, and the term itself.

        • muotechguy
          September 1, 2011 at 7:10 am

          Youre right, it is closed. That's a good thing. 

          Actually, it really annoys me when companies *dont* put their apps on the official mac app store, because i means i have to usually go directly to their website, enter in more payment details, get emails and separate downloads for updates. Having all my apps from one source is a *good thing*. Same reason I try to purchase everything through amazon. I dont want choice, I want a central place I can trust that has everything I want, can ship it together, and get me great deals. 

          I honestly cant imagine how crap having two competing app stores would be for the user, as well as the developer who then has to fragment his market. Go speak to actual developers and how much they love the app store and that evil *closed* environment.