BREAKING: New Gmail Security Flaw. More Domains Get Stolen!

Nov. 21st, 2008 By Aibek

Domain Stealer As many of you already know on November 2nd, MakeUseOf.com’s domain was stolen from us. It took us about 36 hours to get the domain back. As we have pointed out earlier the hacker somehow managed to get access to my Gmail account and from there to our GoDaddy account, unlock the domain and move it to another registrar.

You can see the whole story on our temporary blog makeuseof-temporary.blogspot.com/

I wasn’t planning to publish anything about the incident or cracker (person who steals domains) and how he managed to pull it off unless I was completely sure about it myself. I had a good feeling it was a Gmail security flaw but wanted to confirm it before posting anything about it on MakeUseOf. We love Gmail and giving them bad publicity is not something we would ever want to do.

So why write about this now then?

Several things have happened in the last two days that have made me believe that Gmail has a serious security flaw and everyone should be aware about it. Especially during the times when individuals like Steve Rubel tell you How To Make Gmail Your GateWay To The Web. Now, don’t get me wrong here, Gmail is an AWESOME email program. The best probably. The problem is that it might not be a reliable one when it comes to security. That being said, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you will be better off with Yahoo or Live Mail.

Incident 1: MakeUseOf.com - November 2nd

When our domain was stolen, we suspected that the hacker used some hole in Gmail but we were not sure about it. Why did I suspect that it was something to do with Gmail? Well for one thing I am rather cautious about security and rarely run anything I am not sure about. I also keep my system up to date and have all essentials including 2 malware monitors, an antivirus and 2 firewalls. I also tend to use strong and unique passwords for every one of my accounts.

The hacker did access my Gmail account and set up some filters there that eventually helped him to get access to our GoDaddy account. What I didn’t know is how he managed to do that. Was it a security hole in Gmail? Or was it a keylogger on my PC? I wasn’t sure about it. After the incident I scanned my system with a number of malware removals and didn’t find anything. I also went through every running process as well. All semed to be clean.

So, I am inclined to believe the problem was with Gmail.

Incident 2: YuMP3.org - November 19th

On November 18′th, I got an email from someone named Edin Osmanbegovic who runs the site yump3.org. (He probably found my email through Google as the incident with MakeUseOf was covered on several popular blogs, many of which included my email ID.) In his email, Edin told me that his domain was stolen and moved to another registrar. I quickly googled the yoump3 and saw that a rather established website was now serving a link farm page (exactly like in our case).

Google (on last index):

YouMP3.org hompage (present):

Here is a copy of the very first email I got from Edin:


Hello,
I have the same problem with my domain.
The domain has transfered from Enom to GoDaDDy.
I have immediately send support ticket regarding that problem.

The whois of new domain owner is :

    Name: Amir Emami
    Address 1: P.O. Box 1664
    City: League City
    State: Texas
    Zip: 77574
    Country: US
    Phone: +1.7138937713
    Email:

    Administrative Contact Information:
    Name: Amir Emami
    Address 1: P.O. Box 1664
    City: League City
    State: Texas
    Zip: 77574
    Country: US
    Phone: +1.7138937713
    Email:

    Technical Contact Information:
    Name: Amir Emami
    Address 1: P.O. Box 1664
    City: League City
    State: Texas
    Zip: 77574
    Country: US
    Phone: +1.7138937713
    Email:

Email is : webs@domainsgame.org
Yesterday the guy from that email adress had contacted me via Gtalk.
He said that he want 2000$ for the domain.
I need advice please,I have contacted the Enom.

Thank you.

And guess what, it’s the same guy who earlier this month stole MakeUseOf.com. We too were contacted from the same email address: webs@domainsgame.org. Edin also emailed me today and confirmed that the guy also got access to his domain account through his Gmail account. So it’s again Gmail.

In his last email (received today) Edin included a quick recap of the events


I have the history of how he did everything.

On 10th of November I was the owner.
On 13th of November Mark Morphew.
On 18th of November Amir Emami.

He used webs@domainsgame.org on both persons.

I have send yesterday also everythig to Moniker.
They will investigate.

Incident 3: Cucirca.com - November 20th

This last email was the main reason for this post. It came from Florin Cucirka, the owner of cucirca.com. The site has an alexa rank of 7681 and according to Florin receives over 100,000 visits daily.

First email from Florin:


Hi Aibek

I’m in the same situation makeuseof.com got out.

I am Cucirca Florin and my domain www.cucirca.com was
transfered from my godaddy account without my permission.

It seems that the thief knew my gmail password which is odd.
He managed to create some filters to my account.

I’ve attached 2 screenshots.

Can you help me? Give me some details on how I could get
out of this bad dream? I just found today about this and I
don’t think I’m able to sleep tonight.

Thanks in advance.

Florin Cucirca.

I emailed Florin and asked him some details about his domain, whether he contacted GoDaddy and whatever information he got on the domain cracker (term used for domain stealer) guy so far.

Second email from Florin:


The hacker had access to my email account (gmail). The domain was hosted on godaddy.
I used gmail notifier extension on firefox. maybe there is the big bug.
He transfered the domain to register.com

I haven’t talk to the hacker. I want to get it back legally and if there is not other solution maybe i’ll pay him

www.cucirca.com has an Alexa Rank of 7681 and over 100 000 visits daily.

I will attach you 2 screenshots of my gmail account.

joy.hock@gmail.com and in the second screen domain.selln@gmail.com

If you do a google search of domain.selln@gmail.com you will find this:

http://www.domainmagnate.com/2008/08/11/788-domains-stolen-including-yxlcom/

I think someone should stop them.

I emailed undo@godaddy.com and waiting for a reply.

What do you think? Will i get my domain back?

Looks like it’s Gmail again! Here are the partial screenshots from what he sent me:

In Florin’s case the hacker changed ownership of the domain several month ago. The cucirca.com was transfrred from GoDaddy to Register.com. Since the hacker was intercepting his emails and never changed nameservers I assume Florin had no idea that something was wrong. When I asked him how come it took him that long to find out he send me following:

He transfered the domain to his name on 2008-09-05 leaving the nameservers unchanged. That’s why I haven’t noticed that my doomain was stolen until yesterday when a friend of mine did a whois on my domain….

I had no reason to check whois records because the domain was registered over 7 years (until 2013-11-08)

I haven’t received any emails from this person.

And again it seems to be the same guy! Why do I think so? If you check that link that Florin included in one of his emails (i added it below as well) you’ll see that in some other similar incidents (who knows how many more domains he has stolen like this) email address domain.selln@gmail.com was mentioned together with the name ‘Aydin Bolourizadeh’. That same email also appeared in the forward rule in Florin’s Gmail account (see first screenshot).

When MakeUseOf.com was taken from us, the cracker was asking me for 2000$. And when I asked him where and how he wants to get paid, he told me to send money via Western Union to the following address:

Aydin Bolourizadeh
Turkey
Ankara
Cukurca kirkkonaklar mah 3120006954

screenshot from http://www.domainmagnate.com/2008/08/11/788-domains-stolen-including-yxlcom/

I am pretty pretty that it was the same guy in all 3 incidents and probably 788 others mentioned in the above link, including domains such as yxl.com, visitchina.net and visitjapan.net.

When I searched for that address on Google, I also discovered that he owns the following domains (probably stole them as well):

I assume the guy is indeed from Turkey, and is likely to reside somewhere in the following area.

    Cukurca kirkkonaklar mah 3120006954
    Ankara, Turkey

We also know that he uses webs@domainsgame.org as his email. So if we know who stands behind domainsgames.org we might just get one step closer. In fact, he emailed several days ago and asked me to remove all instances of his email from the website and if we don’t comply he would DDOS us.

Here are his exact words:

Hi,
I ask you to remove my email address (webs@domainsgame.org) from your website !
Do it if you want to dont have any problem in the future, Otherwise firstly I’ll start to have the big DDOS on your website and will make it down…
Im very seriuos so remove my email and domainsgame.org name

So, it seems if we can get to the ID behind domainsgame.org we might get our guy and probably uncover many more domains he has stollen. Read more on it below. Now let’s talk about Gmail.

Gmail Vulnerability

Does anyone remember what hapeened with David Airey last year? His domain was stolen too. The story was all over the web.

- WARNING: Google’s GMail security failure leaves my business sabotaged
- Collective effort restores David Airey.com

Both we and David managed to get the domain back. But I am not sure if everyone is as lucky as we are. Unfortunately, registrars won’t really cooperate with you on this unless the story gets some attention. So, I have no doubt there are hundreds of people out there left with no chance but to either give their domain name or pay the guy.

Anyways, back to Gmail.

In his first article David Airey was referring to a Gmail vulnerability that was (if I am not mistaken) mentioned here several months earlier. To sum up:

The victim visits a page while being logged into GMail. Upon execution, the page performs a multipart/form-data POST to one of the GMail interfaces and injects a filter into the victim’s filter list. In the example above, the attacker writes a filter, which simply looks for emails with attachments and forward them to an email of their choice. This filter will automatically transfer all emails matching the rule. Keep in mind that future emails will be forwarded as well. The attack will remain present for as long as the victim has the filter within their filter list, even if the initial vulnerability, which was the cause of the injection, is fixed by Google.

original page: http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/google-gmail-e-mail-hijack-technique/

Now, the interesting part is that update on the above GNU Citizen link states that vulnerability was fixed before 28 September 2007. But in David’s case, the incident took place in December, 2-3 months later.

So, was the exploit really fixed back then? Or was it a new exploit in David’s case? And most importantly is there a similar security flaw in Gmail NOW?

What should you do now?

(1) Well, my very first advice would be to check your email settings and make sure your email is not compromised. Check fowarding options and filters. Also make sure to disable IMAP if you don’t use it. This also applies to Google Apps accounts.

(2) Change contact email in your sensitive web accounts (paypal, domain registrar etc.) from your primary Gmail account to something else. If you own the website then change the contact email for your host and registrar accounts to some other email. Preferably to something that you aren’t logged in to when browsing web.

(3) Make sure to upgrade your domain to private registration so that your contact details don’t show up on WhoIS searches. If you’re on GoDaddy I’d recommend going with Protected Registration.

(4) Don’t open links in your email if you don’t know the person they are coming from. And if you decide to open the link make sure to log out first.

UPDATE:

I discovered some good articles discussing potential security flaw in response to MakeUseOf’s article:

- Gmail Security Flaw Proof Of Concept
- Comments About This on YCombinator
- (Nov. 26′th) Gmail Security and Recent Phishing Activity [Official Response from Google]

Help Us Catch The Guy!

Apart from above mailing address, we also know that he uses webs@domainsgame.org as his email. So if we find out who now owns the domainsgames.org we might get one step closer. or at the very least return the domains he stole to their respective owners.

Now the thing is the domain name domainsgames.org is protected by Moniker and they hide all the contact info for it.

Domain ID:D154519952-LROR
Domain Name:DOMAINSGAME.ORG
Created On:22-Oct-2008 07:35:56 UTC
Last Updated On:08-Nov-2008 12:11:53 UTC
Expiration Date:22-Oct-2009 07:35:56 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Moniker Online Services Inc. (R145-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:MONIKER1571241
.
.
.
.
Name Server:NS3.DOMAINSERVICE.COM
Name Server:NS2.DOMAINSERVICE.COM
Name Server:NS1.DOMAINSERVICE.COM
Name Server:NS4.DOMAINSERVICE.COM

I already emailed (so did Edin) them about it and will update you here as soon as I hear something from them.

I also have some requests to following companies that are now providing their services to that individual.

1- To Gmail Team:

When going through header files in several emails it was clear that hacker was using Google Apps. Please look into it. The domain is domainsgame.org. And also please FIX! the Gmail.

2- To GoDaddy.COM & ENOM & Register.COM

First of all, please help Edin and Florin get their domains back. One smart thing to do would be to check the account login IP addresses for all similar reported cases. For instance, both in Edin’s case and ours (not sure about Florin ) the hacker was using 64.72.122.156 IP address. (Which by the way turned out to be a compromised server on Alpha Red Inc.) Or even easier, just lock the domain name and ask the current account holder to prove his identity. Since the hacker was using different identities everywhere it would be impossible for him to do that. It’s in your best interests to ensure that this person is no longer using your services.

3- To Moniker.COM:

Close his account! (that is the one for domainsgame.org). Any additional info or assistance that you can provide will be appreciated.

4- To Domainsponsor.COM

I am not really sure but I think DomainSponsor is the company that monetizes those domains that this guy steals. It happened with MakeUseOf.com and now hapening with YouMP3.org.

5- To PayPal.COM: (Your SUPPORT IS AWFUL)

I am sure they won’t even read this so I’ll just tell you instead. I sent an email to spoof@paypal.com and warned them that the person who stole our domain and blackmailed us earlier was using a.npaypal@gmail.com account (he uses some other accounts as well). I just asked them to look into it. Instead I get an email which has nothing to do with what I said. Basically it’s an email template that was meant to look genuine and sent to the people who got spoofed. C’mon! We are paying 3% commision fee on every transaction, can’t you people provide better customer support?

That’s all I got!

Once again I am deeply sorry for what has happened to Florin and Edin. I trully hope they will get their domains back soon. It’s all in the hands of the respective registrars now. But most importantly, I want to see something get done by big corps (not the customers) to catch that person. I am sure every blogger out there would appreciate that and probably even write about it on his/her blog.

It’s time for CHANGE ;-)

best regards
Aibek

image credit: thanks to machine for top ‘Mr Cracker’ image

(By) Aibek, the guy behind MakeUseOf.com. Follow him and MakeUseOf on Twitter.

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217 Comments Add Comment
2008-11-21 21:08:38

This is pretty scary. Who will think that the hacker used gmail

2008-11-22 19:47:46

call me crazy but I don’t think they should shut down his account. Instead investigate into the matter and restore all accounts he’s breached. Then fine him heavily, and push both civil and corporate suits against him.

I hope you catch him, but what I don’t want to see is a lot of racism coming out of this. So let’s keep it civil and leave it to the companies and parties involved to do the work, otherwise you end up with people messing the entire thing up by swearing and throwing insults which complicates everything.

Honestly three things on the web that suck, domain squatters, spammers and thieves.

2008-11-23 03:07:39
samer

There was several incidents when accessing our gmail accounts will bring us other people inboxes, it was attributed to local ISPs caching tricks, but later the same happened with youtube accounts. see more here
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9875714-7.html
an here
http://www.itp.net/news/517616-youtube-uae-caching-error-fixed
Now some goverment departments, economy, went for google to get thier own email accounts, that is scary for economya.

2008-11-21 21:27:43

Oh, so *this* is why I only access GMail via IMAP and never login to it in my browser.

2008-11-21 23:08:57

In what way is it more secure that you never view the online Gmail environment and therefore rarely see your filters or know what is usual for your Gmail account?

2008-11-22 02:41:29

It’s “more secure” in the sense that the exploit described is browser-based and requires the user to be logged into GMail in their *browser* while visiting a malicious site. If you access your e-mail via IMAP, then your login credentials are sent via your e-mail client, and your browser has no active session cookie for your Google account, rendering the call to inject a redirect filter useless.

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2008-11-22 17:30:33

Yep, my bad for commenting in a hurry. I’ve read the post thoroughly now. Using IMAP sounds like a good idea. The four tips at the end of the post are good ones, although I’m shocked that no one has mentioned the setting to always use GMail with https!

Turn on HTTPS!

2008-11-23 17:57:46

If you are not logged in to Gmail maybe you are logged in for google.com/ig or any other google apps ? it’s the same thing.
Anyway the big companies won’t do something about this until their domains get stolen :)
They don’t care about you and me, or anybody else. Do you really think they want their websites to get flooded with DDOS attacks?

2008-11-26 21:26:42

HTTPS is a good idea for other reasons, but it won’t protect you against this attack.

2008-11-22 05:13:48
Pete

Well, if you’re accessing Gmail through a desktop email client, you’re not making any HTTP POST requests, which means you’re not vulnerable to the attack described above. The IMAP in this case is sorta irrelevant, POP should work fine too. It’s the separate client in this case that’s the key.

As for the blog post, I haven’t yet seen a clear case for anything other than someone discovered their Gmail account password and used it to obtain access to the other accounts.

What proof have you got that there’s a Gmail vulnerability in play here? All you’ve shown is that someone managed to get into some accounts.

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2008-11-22 05:22:12

Because of how the security flaw works. The hacker can only hack your account if you are logged into Gmail in the same browser as you browse the web with.

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2008-11-22 11:36:42

Best would be use Chrome to access your Mail accounts specially gmail and stuff . You can also use chrome for accessing your private accounts. Use any other browser for surfing. And Please improve surfing habits

2008-11-22 13:05:19

Ashish: Using chrome is no more a help than using IE or Firefox with a multipart/form-data POST…. any browser that supports AJAX could easily do that. Chrome has yet to stand up to the security scrutiny that Firefox and Safari have. While it’s a fun browser, it’s security is not tested and therefore not to be trusted (yet).

2008-11-22 13:25:17
Peter
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Who says Chrome is not vulnerable to this? All Chrome windows and tabs share the same session ID. So if you’re logged in one window you’re logged in into all of them.

2008-11-22 14:15:02
Eric

drfindley, Perter: You are missing the point. He isn’t saying that Chrome is not vulnerable. He is saying that you should use two separate browsers, one for email, and another general web surfing. He just specifically suggests using Chrome for the email browser.

2008-11-21 21:29:17

Unreal! Well… glad you got everything worked out! What if you own a site but transfer it to someone else, as far as hosting and you wanted it back but they won’t transfer it… now what?

2008-11-21 21:43:15
Yashar

“Amir Emami” and “Aydin Bolourizadeh” are not Turkish names. Both are Persian names.

2008-11-21 21:49:54

Amir Emani is not, Aydin Blourizadeh can be turkish on the other hand. I lived two years in Turkey.

2008-11-22 10:57:35

“Blourizadeh” doesn’t sound Turkish.

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2008-11-24 09:19:53
Zaur

Aydin Bolourizadeh is azerbaijani for sure. But he can be originally from South Iran too.

2008-11-21 21:49:35

I’d venture to guess that you guys were probably victims of phishing or something of the likes. If it was just an issue Gmail then I’d think you’d see more widespread issues. I also find it interesting that everyone affected is using Go-Daddy.

2008-11-21 21:52:47

Well, I am 100% sure there are dozens of more cases out there, we just don’t get to hear about them.

2008-11-21 22:00:30

I’m curious in your case was anything related to Gmail changed. It just strikes me as odd that between all the cases, Gmail and GoDaddy are the two biggest common factors. I’m sure there might be more but that would take some detailed evaluations.

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2008-11-21 22:12:03

Yes, when it happened to me it was also via Gmail. The account had a filetr set up fowarding certain emails to the hijacker

2008-11-22 05:42:32

Richard,

When my domain was stolen, I had no business dealings with GoDaddy. The cracker transferred my domain name from another registrar into his / her GoDaddy account, so not everyone affected is using their service.

Aibek,

I’m glad it wasn’t any longer than 36 hours before you had your domain returned.

2008-11-22 05:49:58

I wa referring to Gamil in particulat, not GoDaddy. GoDaddy is definitely not to blame here, it’s nomal for it to appear in most of the incidents simply due to their huge popularity.

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2008-11-21 22:05:32
D L Owens

He seems very clever and it is likely that there are a lot of victims that still aren’t aware that they’ve been compromised. The best prevention is to educate yourself about the numerous ways that your email can be infiltrated.

2008-11-22 00:00:04

Indeed, I am sure many of of his victims have no idea about it. I also believe, it’s a lot harder to get the domain back once it has been in someone’s hands for a while.

2008-11-21 22:07:29

I was lead here through a link someone posted on Twitter, but I am glad I stopped to read. Thank you for bringing this possibility to everyones attention. I fall under all the ‘no-no’s’ that are listed here and it could have been my story (and I own quite a few domains!).

2008-11-21 22:12:29

toinks, I’ve already suspect gmail as the problem when David Airey’s domain got stolen, now this. BTW, Paypal support really sucks.

2008-11-26 14:29:09
Dee

Four unconfirmed cases in a year are definitely signs of a weakness in gmail alright.

2008-11-21 22:23:42
Gspider

I don`t think that`s related to Gmail itself but probably the environment and the way you connect to your Gmail. example, having lots of untrusted or even trusted Firefox adds-on decrease your security level dramatically.

You mentioned that he was able to get your info using forward filters but he didn`t actually had physical access to your account or he would have got it all without filters and even change and block access to your email too. I think it`s more like using and sending a code to generate such filters. i guess.

Google apps and services are all connect together so a security bug in igoogle will affect all your other apps.

2008-11-22 12:45:53

I can’t tell for sure whether the guy had a physical access to my account. The filters were there, they might have been inserted using similar technique as described in the post or he could added them there manually. I am inclined to believe it’s the first one. Mainly because this guy knows very well what he needs to do before moving some domain. In our case he new before hand that he would be moving the domain from GoDaddy to NameCheap (reseller for Enom). Thus he knew every step of the process and what emails to intercept and where hey will be coming from.

2008-11-21 22:38:50
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Wow… scary man… I am using Gmail too. So, what should I do? I don’t know anything about security issue…

2008-11-21 23:10:56

In your Gmail settings select the option to always use https, check your filters and forwarding, make sure there’s nothing there you didn’t set up, have a good password and don’t give it to anyone. Should go along way to keeping things secure.

2008-11-21 23:42:51
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There is nothing in the filters, what should I add?

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2008-11-22 00:04:36

Nothing. If you don’t want/need to use filters that’s fine. The thing about this technique is that once someone gets in to your Gmail account they can set up filters to prevent you from seeing emails or to forward emails to themselves. So if there’s a filter that you didn’t set up with a weird email address, delete it.

2008-11-22 00:07:24

The fact that no one seems to have been permanently locked out of their accounts almost leads me to believe this is related to the old “known” cross site scripting issue http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070927-cross-site-request-forgery-vulnerability-found-in-gmail.html. That issue was supposedly fixed right after it was found. But its possible there is a new issue there.

2008-11-22 00:42:15

I started asking some people here at Google about this. Other than David Airey a while ago, I can’t remember hearing about other cases of this “add malicious forwarding rules to Gmail to sniff registrar passwords and hijack a domain” type of situation, but I’ll keep my ears open.

2008-11-22 12:38:52

By the way, a security person found me to chat about this specifically. They mentioned that the original bug from 2007 is still fixed properly. They also said that the David Airey incident was not an exploitation of the XSRF flaw or other Gmail flaw.

If I had to guess (and bear in mind that I have no special/inside knowledge or computer security background), I would guess that it was a keylogger. Once an attacker knows (say) a Gmail password, they could exploit that to try to grab any domain names that you own. Notice for example that the Gmail snapshot above includes multiple registrars (register.com and godaddy.com), so it could easily be a scripted attack that tried to see if that Gmail account can be used to hijack domains from multiple registrars. In a keylogger situation, there’s nothing special about Gmail–the attacker could attack other webmail providers too.

2008-11-22 15:53:02

The reason there are filters for multiple registrars is because domain transfer process includes several emails both from loosing and gaining registrar. So if the hacker doesn’t want victim to know anything about it he has to setup multiple filters.

In my opinion the hack was carried out in the following way:

- 1. hacker has an automattic script that searches public WhoIS databases and finds people that have gmail email listed as a contact.
- 2. the script further filters the results leaving only somewhat established sites.
- 3. next he sends an email to the owner (or even leaves a comment on his blog) with a link to a site that targets Gmail bug.

Aibek

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2008-11-23 10:25:47
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That seems the most logical explanation to me. A little XSS mixed with some social engineering.

Whoever mentioned above that the fact no GMail accounts have been locked out is correct in that this must be some sort of cross-site scripting vulnerability, as it relies upon filters for the cracker to obtain copies of emails. If he had direct access to the GMail account, why not simply log into it and use it?

I want to stress the importance of selecting the “Always use https” option in the GMail settings, especially if you use GMail from your local coffee shop or other public wi-fi hotspot.

2008-11-23 20:44:42
2008-11-22 12:50:49

Hi Matt,

Thanks for the comment. It’s good to know that the article made its way to known Google individuals like yourself.

2008-11-22 01:04:11

This is scary story to all Gmail users,having said that no email is safe enough to get hacked,I agree with Aibek I really gets worried if i don’t find any keyloggers ,viruses and spywares enough to hack ,then we have to doubt the service we are using in this case here Gmail.I also really worried after scanning with internet Security suite some one is spying on me.

2008-11-22 01:24:45
aloishis
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I don’t have time, but if someone else wants to fire up Backtrack 3 and do a bunch of scans on the domain, that could be helpful. And gmail logs the IP’s of last logins, any chance you got those from when he logged in? Remember: there is always a way around a security measure.

2008-11-22 12:53:21

In my case the IP was pointing to the compromised server on Alpha Red Inc. They have already taken the server down. They couldn’t help us as the server logs were deleted.

2008-11-22 02:30:14
Jaf

Since the beginning of this episode i carefully watched every development and even wrote a short note on my blog that makeuseof.com got hijacked — i instantly changed my Gmail account associated with my domain, previously my domain was on Godaddy even it was still there i would definitely have moved it somewhere else and also added domain privacy to my domain…. i also took the time to setup my domain email and abandoned using gmail email in blog comments….. in short Google must need to pay quick attention to this ongoing issue, more and more people learn about it more they are gonna be scare of Gmail, i know Aibek didn’t mean to scare us of Gmail nor do i,,,, but i am just pointing out there seems to be a issue or a loophole in Gmail security no? i m glad that matt cutts followed this blog post and eventually this matter would be addressed by gmail team (hope so)

2008-11-22 03:28:00

Here are more info about the guy from webs@domainsgame.org

His MSN is betterdomains@hotmail.com
Gmail he contact me domain.bs@gmail.com
Email he changed in my paypal account domain.bs@googlemail.com
Email he changed in my parked account webs@domainsgame.org
IP address he log in my parked account 64.72.122.156

Source : http://www.namepros.com/528516-i-have-been-hacked-please-help-2.html

2008-11-22 03:28:35
Peter W

The gmail folks could go a long way towards fixing this with some defensive configuration changes.

There are two simple things I’d like to see in particular:
1) Require a password refresh in order to add or change filters with forwarding
2) Require a password refresh in order to add forwarding in general.

It doesn’t have to be too intrusive.. Just require re-verifying your gmail password before allowing forwarding to go elsewhere. Set the timeout to something small like 15 minutes. That greatly narrows the window where an undetected XSS attack can affect you. In order to have the XSS/link attack work silently, you’d have had to have verified your password within the last 15 minutes.

You’d notice if clicking on a link caused gmail to ask for a password to allow editing the forwarding…

2008-11-22 11:44:29

This would be really good. Funny thing is They ask for password when you add a feed in orkut but they dont when you add filter. !!!!

2008-11-22 12:56:49

I agree, this can definitely help.

2008-11-22 04:42:30

This is really a scary thing for beginners like me. I would like to thank you for putting all the information together on this post. what you think about Yahoo! Do they have such security flaw?

2008-11-22 13:00:16

I don’t know about Yahoo, but I doubt that their security measures are better than that of Gmail. The reason we hear abot Gmail more often is due to its huge popularity in tech communty.

2008-11-22 04:42:33
Aibek [impostor]

“I also keep my system up to date and have all essentials including 2 malware monitors, an antivirus and 2 firewalls.”

The fact that you need, or think you need that, says a lot.

You can have all the security in the world, but it is undermined by your stupidity and ignorance.

2008-11-22 05:55:37

“The fact that you need, or think you need that, says a lot. You can have all the security in the world,…

So based on your argument, smart people should ignore security software. And what’s wrong with “think you need that” ? So what should we who think that we need security software to protect our PCs do then?

There is a flaw in your logic.
You’re an idiot !

2008-11-22 04:46:39
Chris/James

So wait.. You actually used your e-mail address associated with the account with GoDaddy for your website? I used to work for GoDaddy, and christ (if it wasn’t obvious from the post), you’re quite inept and should not be allowed to have a website. Such as it is.

2008-11-22 05:16:44

I highly doubt anyone writing for MUO would fall prey to phising, nevertheless, it is a possibility. I can recommend Bluehost to anyone out there as a hosting company, I tried to ask them for complicated stuff, but they always help me out and complete everything in not 24, but more like 2-3 hours. They’re really friendly and I should think they’d address this issue.

I love paypal, but I think they’ve become a bit ‘eliteist’. Unless you have tens of millions of dollars going through I doubt they will take the time to help until it’s happening “only” with 5-6 people.

One thing more that I don’t get is, and it shows how these people aren’t that bright, is why didn’t the guy just replace the adsense block with his own? I doubt anyone would notice for months, in total earning him more. I’ve always thought about this as a threat, so perhaps you would like to check your ads as well!

2008-11-22 05:36:05
Anon

domainsgame.com ip block is owned by.. could place a call there

OrgName: Oversee.net
OrgID: OVERS-1
Address: 515 S. Flower St
Address: Suite 4400
City: Los Angeles
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 90071
Country: US

NetRange: 208.73.208.0 - 208.73.215.255
CIDR: 208.73.208.0/21
NetName: OVERSEE-NET-2
NetHandle: NET-208-73-208-0-1
Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: NS1.OVERSEE.NET
NameServer: NS2.OVERSEE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-12-28
Updated: 2006-12-28

OrgAbuseHandle: OVERS-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Oversee NOC
OrgAbusePhone: +1-213-408-0080
OrgAbuseEmail:

OrgTechHandle: OVERS-ARIN
OrgTechName: Oversee NOC
OrgTechPhone: +1-213-408-0080
OrgTechEmail:

also interesting

domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 10 aspmx.l.google.com.
domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 30 aspmx5.googlemail.com.
domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 30 aspmx4.googlemail.com.
domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 30 aspmx3.googlemail.com.
domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 30 aspmx2.googlemail.com.
domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 20 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com.
domainsgame.org. 21600 IN MX 20 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.domainservice.com. 68916 IN A 208.73.210.41
ns2.domainservice.com. 3398 IN A 208.73.211.42
ns3.domainservice.com. 167141 IN A 208.73.210.43
ns4.domainservice.com. 46168 IN A 208.73.211.44
aspmx5.googlemail.com. 1765 IN A 74.125.45.27
aspmx4.googlemail.com. 3441 IN A 66.249.93.27
aspmx3.googlemail.com. 1997 IN A 209.85.199.27

Possible using googles mail service (non-gmail) stuff as a back door in?

2008-11-22 05:36:59
mehtuus

Correct me if I am wrong, but think that you can be protected from this flaw by using firefox and the plugin NoScript.

2008-11-22 12:03:33
aleron

Sure, but with this plugin you disable all JavaScript. You are even better protected if you unplug your modem.

2008-11-22 12:55:39

Sorry, you seem not to know NoScript at all.

The main NoScript feature is that you can enable JavaScript and other active content for sites you trust, building a permanent or temporary whitelist.

Back on topic, see
GMail POST Mortem, CSRF Countermeasures and NoScript Misconceptions,
Petko Was Playing With Fire and NoScript vs Insecure Cookies.

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2008-11-22 13:06:20

:-)

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2008-11-22 05:42:05
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Here are some very easy ways to ensure the security of your domain.

1. Set your whois email contacts to an administrative email account. Set a very long and complex password on the account and have all email forwarded to your daily use account. Since you do not log into the account and it has a very long and obfuscated password it makes it much more difficult to break into. Also set very random security questions, as sometimes your security questions can be very simple to break. Since the email address listed in the whois database is publicly available it is the prime target for anyone attempting to steal a domain, this practice adds a layer of security, much like root priveledges in a linux environment.

2. Get privacy on your domain. Privacy masks your whois contact information. The less information someone has on your domain, the more difficult it becomes for them to gain control of it. Also be aware that there are services that keep a history of whois information, so this is not a fullproof method of privacy since the information is probably still out there.

3. Keep your registrar(GoDaddy, Moniker, Etc.) email address different than your whois email address. This makes it more difficult for someone to gain direct access to your domains since your account email will not be publicly available.

4. If you are really concerned, pay for a service like Protected Registration at GoDaddy. This service locks down a domain irrevocably. In fact, it makes it almost impossible to transfer even if it’s you that wants do the transferring.

5. Keep alerting on. Most registrars have account options that will send you an email if any registrant information is changed or a domain is unlocked. Make sure it’s turned ON!

6. Call the experts! I have all my domains at GoDaddy and I use Google Apps on over 40 domains. If I need to know something about my account I call the free support and ask them.

2008-11-22 13:10:51

Brandon,

EXCELLENT TIPS!

Thanks for sharing, I second every one of them.

2008-11-22 06:53:30

You got phished.

2008-11-22 06:56:53
Goodluck

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2008-11-22 07:04:05
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Any security policy based off of a racial slur, a made up statistic, or an underestimation of another person’s intelligence is not really a security policy at all. But I get it, you were being funny.

2008-11-22 07:00:01
tompa

I hope the malicious people behind these hacks are found and brought to justice!

As a regular user I have no idea if there’s a basic security flaw in gmail that allows adversaries access in the first place.

But I still think that gmail easily could add features that would limit the damage in such cases:

1. add multilevel security: require the use of some master password to create filters, edit forwarding rules and so on.

2. increased transparency: when a filter, forwarding rule is changed (or a failed attempt to change it occurs) then gmail should display a note about it visible to the user each time he/she logs onto gmail for the next few days.

Let me also just agree that this is excellent advise:

“(2) Change contact email in your sensitive web accounts (paypal, domain registrar etc.) from your primary Gmail account to something else. If you own the website then change the contact email for your host and registrar accounts to some other email. Preferably to something that you aren’t logged in to when browsing web.”

I even go so far as to only access that special email account after booting an Ubuntu live-CD. I never access it from within Windows or any other installed OS.

2008-11-22 07:06:52
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What is the answer to your password recovery question and is it easily discoverable via google?

2008-11-22 13:30:34

Definitely not in my case!