What You Need To Know About AMD’s New Trinity Laptop APU [MakeUseOf Explains]

trinitythumb   What You Need To Know About AMD’s New Trinity Laptop APU [MakeUseOf Explains]Intel has just released its new line of laptop and desktop processors, but they’re not the only ones working on a new product. AMD has also been working hard to improve its laptop APUs and has now released them.

These new feature both updated processor cores and an updated graphics solution, both of which are sorely needed. Should you consider one of these new AMD processors for your next laptop?

The Basics

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Last year AMD came out with its Llano APU. This was a product that combined up to four processor cores and a Radeon GPU on the same die. Doing this reduces power consumption and allows the CPU and GPU to share resources, such as cache.

Trinity updates the processor cores to AMD’s latest Piledriver architecture, which is an evolution of Bulldozer. It also improves upon the graphics solution, updating it to the new HD 7000 series.

These enhancements have allowed AMD to increase the clock speed of its components while reducing power consumption. There was never a low-voltage version of Llano, but there is a Trinity part with a thermal design power (TDP) of 17 watts. Previous APUs had a TDP of 35W or 45W.

Turbo Core 3.0

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Shortly after Intel introduced Turbo Boost, AMD countered by introducing Turbo Core. The idea is the same. When a multi-core processor is running an application that does not fully utilize all cores the remaining cores will automatically increase their clock speed.

Turbo Core 3.0 is clearly AMD’s best implementation of the concept to date. Most of the new Trinity processors have a more aggressive maximum Turbo Core speed than older products, and the flagship product (AMD’s A10-4600M) can increase the speed of a single core by up to 900 MHz.

The Product Line

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When Llano came out AMD decided to use new A-Series branding. Each processor was given an A4/A6/A8 prefix, followed by a model number. A4 products were dual core, while A6/A8 products were quad-core. AMD also bestowed the A8 with the best Radeon IGP, while the A4 and A6 received versions with fewer cores.

AMD has changed the branding a bit with this new release. Trinity parts with a dual-core processor will now be called A6, while quad-cores will be called A8 or A10. Make sense? No? I don’t think so either, but that’s how it is.

Model numbers have also taken a jump from a baseline of 3000 to 4000. This is how you can tell if an AMD Fusion APU is part of new generation. Its model number will begin with a 4 instead of a 3.

To make matters worse, AMD has taken a page from Intel’s playbook and given its low-voltage parts confusing names. You’d expect the AMD A10-4655M to be faster than the A10-4600M, but it isn’t. That’s because the 4655M is a low-voltage part meant for ultraportable computers.

Anyone thinking of buying an AMD APU should probably do some research on Wikipedia and the AMD website beforehand. It’s easy to become confused about where each part stands in the company’s line-up.

Performance

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The new Piledriver cores in Trinity allow for a nice boost in performance when compared with previous AMD mobile processors. In the best scenarios the new products are as much as 50% quicker, and overall they’re 15% to 25% better.

Even so, the quad-core AMD A10-4600M is still behind the last generation of Core i5 dual-cores. In Peacekeeper, for example, an older Core i5 will score between 1600 and 2000 points in Firefox 9. The flagship Trinity APU scores about 1350.

AMD knows this and is no longer making any claims about its processors being quicker than what Intel offers. Instead the company promotes its Radeon IGP, which has traditionally been faster than Intel’s integrated graphics.

This is still the case. Though there are some games where Intel HD 4000 can put up a good fight it generally loses to Trinity’s IGP, and sometimes by a margin of over ten frames per second. Games like Civilization 5 and Skyrim are not enjoyable at 1366×768 and Medium detail on Intel HD 4000 systems, but they work fine on a laptop using the AMD A10-4600M APU.

But there’s a catch. AMD sent out its best product, the A10-4600M, for the first round of reviews. It has a Radeon IGP with 384 cores clocked at up to 686 MHz. It’s also the only part with this combination of traits. The others have fewer cores and/or lower clock speeds. It’s no small difference, either. The next step down from the A10-4600M only has 256 cores.

This means that while the best Trinity APU can beat Intel HD 4000 handily, products lower on the totem pole may only be on par with, or slower than, Intel integrated graphics.

Should You Buy It?

I can’t recommend laptops with an AMD processor. They trail Intel badly in CPU performance, and while the Radeon IGP is robust when well equipped, the gimped versions found in the less expensive parts really take away from the promise of AMD’s Fusion APU.

More importantly, buying a Core i3 or Core i5 laptop with a low-end discrete GPU will give you the best of both worlds. You may have to pay an extra $100, but you may not – and a small increase in price is well worth the massive increase in performance.

As a former AMD fanboy it pains me to see the company in its current position, but it’s hard to make an argument for these new mobile processors even if you want to. If you want a laptop, go check out our articles about Ivy Bridge and Intel’s processor lineup. Chances are good that you’ll find an Intel processor is a much better value than anything AMD currently offers.

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Brian

Thank you for the information about the new AMD chips; now I will know better than to consider them on par with the i3 and i5.

Matt Smith

No problem!

Womble

Well it depends on the individuals needs but I would regard fast enough for the majority of people as been the point where the CPU ceases to be the bottleneck while doing everyday tasks. I think we hit that mark around five years ago really.

Womble

Damn! this was the reply to your comment on my comment :)

Nunya

I agree with Womble. Intels are faster at raw CPU power. Thats always been the case. AMD has always been geared toward the gamers. keeping i mind this is a laptop based part we are talking about. A Trinity based laptop will be more than enough for MOST people. If your into Video decoding and that sort of thing. Intel is your best bet. For every day use and decent 3D gaming the trinitys will serve you well. The authors title of “What you need to know about AMDs trinity Apu” Isnt What you need to know about trinity apus. Its his OPNION… A Biased one at that. Do some research and you will see how biased this one is.

Nunya

I would check another site before jumoing in . This is the most biased post i have seen yet. The autho posted in another article that intels hd3000 would run games like World of Warcraft on HIGH fine. Quoting him: “Will Intel HD 4000 Play World Of Warcraft?

Yes. Absolutely.

The benefits that you see from World of Warcraft will not be as great as the benefits you see in a game like Just Cause 2. That is because the game, like all MMORPGs, tends to be “processor bound.” The game taxes the resources of your computer processor before the game reaches the limits of what your graphics solution has to offer.

Intel HD 3000 was already capable of handling the game at high detail settings. With Intel HD 4000, high to ultra detail settings should be achievable. Your results will be dictated by the processor as much as the IGP, so if World of Warcraft is your game, I recommend buying a laptop with a fast Core i5 dual-core or a Core i7 quad-core.”

This is TOTALLY untrue. Grab up an intell hd3000 machine and try it. Framerates even just sitting in a city will be 12-25 fps. Stick to reputable sites.

Jay

This is more of a comic strip review than a real one, I would go somewhere else, there are plenty of unbiased and factual reports out there, I would read a few and then make a choice.

While the CPU does indeed trail the new Ivy Bridge CPU the Graphics capability is far superior, and while the video encoding (yeah apparently some people spend $600 on a budget laptop and do video encoding on it) is far superior the overall performance is not only more than OK, the gaming performance in most games far surpasses Ivy Bridge, in some cases by almost 50%.

If your intent is to surf the web or do use general business programs (word/excel/etc) then you would be more than covered by either option, if your slant is more towards games, trinity is a better option, if your doing HPC/Encoding the balance is in favour of the Intel options.

Regardless, do not use this article as a benchmark for making a decision, check out a few real reviews by some reputable tech sites and then balance that against what you will be using it for.

Matt Smith

Ah, but you’re overplaying your hand. You see, Trinity really isn’t great for gaming, which is the biggest problem.

Is it better than Intel HD 4000? Yes. In some games a lot better, and others, not as much. But is Trinity a powerful GPU? Uhhh, no. It’s easily defeated by modern discrete solutions.

Buying Trinity for gaming only makes sense if you absolutely can’t afford anything else.

JamesL

Just read through these posts. Look at REAL benchmarks. These posts are full of the truth of the matter. As Jay has stated, matts opinion is not that of most other sites. Perhaps just avoid using this site at all for reliable and trustworthy information. Triniry APUs are more than capable of gaming. There are Videos of them even running High end games like Battlefield3 nicely. The HD4000 is actually quite horrrid in its true 3D acceleration. The Youtube link atthe bottom of these posts on World of Warcraft shows its true capabilities. Even the old LLano APUs beat the HD4000 handily. You can get disctrete cards with the Intel APUs.. But then your battery life will be horrible. It will cost you much more. And despite Matts claims. you will need a high end discrete accelerator to out perform Trinity. So you will be paying 500 for a trinity that can game well on all but the most advanced 3D games. Or over 1000 for an intel based laptop to do the same… But again your battery life will be bad. Kinda defeats the purpose of having a laptop etc If you have to keep it plugged up. may as well buy a desktop.
Not that anyone would go to one site and not do more research. HP and the like are making several trinity machines. If you look at their APU buyimg, they are banjing on the trinities selling more of the market share than they did with Llanos.

Matt Smith

If you’ve looked at other reviews and reached these conclusions I have to question your reading comprehension.

1) “Trinity APU runs high end games like Battlefield 3 handily.”

If by “handily” you mean 25-30 FPS at medium settings, you’re correct. But I suspect any serious gamer will consider this adequate at best.

2) “Even the old Llano APUs beat Intel HD 4000 handily.”

Simply untrue in most games.

3) “You can get discrete cards with Intel APUs by then your battery life will be horrible.”

This is what tells me that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Because if you did, you’d have heard of switchable graphics by now, and you would know that discrete GPUs impose little or no battery life penalty during normal use.

4) “Or over 1000 for an Intel based laptop to do the same.”

Again, like every AMD fanboy, you are vastly over-exaggerating the cost of Intel laptops. I’m reviewing a laptop right now with a Core i7-3610QM and a Nvidia GT 640M LE GPU. This system is much quicker than Trinity in every way and it costs $849. It’s the Lenovo Y480 – look it up.

Jay

Overplay my hand???? I do not have a hand to overplay. I am however objective and purchase the appropriate tool for the task, I own in total 17 Computers, ranging from low end dual core (an AMD E350) which I use when travelling to a high end system costing in excess of $5500 dollars that uses an Intel Core i7 which I use for video encoding and self-contained virtual environments.

I purchase based on the capabilities of a machine and the job I need it to perform, at no point did I state that a Trinity laptop would be great exclusively as a games machine your misinterpretation of what was said to fit what you wanted it to read displays not only your total lack of regard for the readers of this page but to be honest your own lack of both understanding and judgement of the market this is being aimed at.

If all you have is $600 and you want a machine that is capable of playing games trinity would meet that need, it also provides a solid general work machine capable of meeting day to day needs.

JamesL

HP is listing SEVERAL Trinity laptops at 599. Much cheaper than your 849. for future refeerence Matt let me point out the fact that the human eye uses 24 FPS to see fluid motion. TV is broadcast at 24 FPS.. So 25-30 FPS is totally fluid. To a gamer they wont know the difference from 25 fps to 10000 fps. HD 4000 couldnt eve run Workd of warcraft on Medium at 24 FPS as per the video the guy posted at the end of this page. YES BF3 is handibly playable. The link posted shows the popular high end games of the time. That doesnt make me a fanboy. I see everyone that has posted on your artticle has named you as Intel fanboy. Basicly your opnion versus everyone elses that posted. Knowing what I do about laptops.. As well as gaming..
I know the truth. BTW. I did look it up. Battery life is nowhere near the HP A10 battery life. maybe you still live at home with your parents. Most people buy the most bang for the buck. We will see in a few weeks on sales. Lie the one guy pointed out. You say noone cares about battery life. This told anyone reading this mess you are in no way a reliable source. As well as your lack of knowledge on what most people look for in a laptop makes all your input on the subject mindless banter.

giorov

hmm I was planning on getting a trinity based hp sleekbook, you say it should run bf3 playably?

TheTruth

http://www.techpowerup.com/166813/New-AMD-A-Series-APUs-Win-2012-Best-Choice-of-COMPUTEX-TAIPEI-Award.html

“AMD today announced its AMD A-Series APUs (Accelerated Processing Units) are winners of the 2012 Best Choice of COMPUTEX TAIPEI award, the second consecutive win for the product family. The award is given by the Taipei Computer Association, a driving force behind the annual event and the leading technology organization in the country. Extensive reviews are conducted by a panel of esteemed government officials, academics, research analysts, editors-in-chief of key media outlets and industry experts to select winning products based on outstanding design and cutting-edge technology in nine product categories.”

Basicly REAL techies and people that are professionals at evaluating hardware just said Trinity is best bang for the buck. I cant wait to see what excuse matt uses for that one.

JamesL

New AMD A-Series APUs Win 2012 Best Choice of COMPUTEX

This vote came from professsional hardware techies, Looks like Matt thinks he is smarter than some of the industries most knowledgeable. LOL Not.

Roy McMillan

Matt,

Your article is misleading at best. You are not giving the whole story. Such as Whetstone and Dhrystone are very old and outdated, especially when trying to test advanced processors like the Trinity APU. You don’t tell your readers that Microsoft and Intel had a long standing collusion to write the O.S. code to perform especially fast on the Intel Architecture. That is until Intel recently started courting Google and the Google OS, and now Microsoft and AMD have been working hard at making sure the Windows 8 will maximize the 8 cores of the Bulldozer (something Win7 is incapable of doing).

You don’t tell your readers that in these tests you run, the test software and OS won’t even touch half of the processors power and that especially on the Bulldozer 4 and sometimes 5 of the cores are not even being used, because the Technology is beyond Win7 capability. You don’t tell them that Unix and Linux have very few challenges smoking the Intel when you put dollar against dollar for processors.

Be honest and tell the whole story, not just what your Intel biased thinks.

Kaggy

I think it is an unfair recommendation.

It really depends on what you need the system for.
It will really shine if you need it for content digestion and some light gaming, the price and energy savings would be advantageous.
The power savings would work well when you watch a lot of videos in the browser or play games on the browser. (a large number of people do nowadays)

Intel would be better if you’re doing more media work, programming or have money to burn assuming AMD’s offerings are cheaper.

Lastly, computing power is reaching the point whereby it is no longer a significant factor.

Matt Smith

What power savings? There is none. I mean, Trinity is not bad, it looks like it will last as long as a Core i3/i5 on the same battery. But it’s not better.

The problem is that Trinity’s graphics component is not really good enough for serious gaming. It’s adequate. Just okay. But easily beat by any number of low-end discrete graphics solutions.

So why wouldn’t you buy a Core i3/i5 with a discrete graphics card? The only reason I can think of is price. And if you don’t have much money and you want to game a bit, okay, Trinity well work. But “this is okay if you don’t have the money to afford anything better” is not exactly a shining recommendation.

Kaggy

It’ll last as long as a core i3/i5 with the integrated graphics.
But if you get a i3/i5 with discrete graphics the battery life will lose out to Trinity.

Can’t compare on pricing yet cause no Trinity devices is out yet.

Matt Smith

No, that’s not true, graphics cards have switchable graphics now. The GPU is off unless you are using it. This is true of Trinity too, if it wasn’t there’s no way they’d manage as long of battery life as they do.

Will

That’s not necessarily true. You could run the discrete card alone, but one of the points of Fusion is that Trinity will work in dual graphics mode, it’s an advantage so you can get better framerates. But basically it’s up to the user how much power they want to suck. Only uninformed people game without knowing they can change graphics.

RealityCheck

Matt , even the low end discrete graphics use 6 times the power of both Intel and AMDs apus do. As is pointed in in 2 of those articles.

Nunya

Tests show AMD wins in battery life. Use a search engine. Prices are listed as well.. INtel based will cost minimum of 100 bucks more than AMD based machines. Again. Search engines are your friend.

Will

Because, people don’t buy laptops based on the processor alone. More important to them is the form factor and size of the laptop. That means they are limited to a certain TDP. A 35 watt i3 or i5 with a discrete graphics card would be in the same 45 watt form factor as a Trinity 4600M with an AMD discrete graphics card. The Trinity would have much better frame rates because it could run in dual graphics mode and use the Radeon cores on Trinity to supplement the discrete cores.
Imagine if you wanted a 35 watt form factor. You would have to get an Intel CPU with no more than a 25 watt TDP to get good graphics performance. That means it would be a dual core against AMD’s quad core 4655M. You would also get better gaming performance because the Trinity Radeon cores will work in Dual Graphics mode and supplement the discrete graphics.

A lot of people would be interested in ultra thin notebooks if they could get a Macbook Air-like shape with better graphics. At that size I would gladly lose CPU performance for a little gaming performance.

Nunya

LOL Any low end discrete card will beat it? Enough lies. Stick to facts.

Kannon Y

Thanks for the great article Matt. After your last piece on how Bulldozer utterly failed against Sandy Bridge, I was utterly convinced of AMD’s decline and likely destruction at the hands of Intel. However, Trinity appears to have reversed this trend and AMD appears to aim their latest design at mobile markets.

According to most reviewers, Trinity has substantial performance-per-watt advantages over Ivy Bridge. To illustrate this point, the A10 has something like half the wattage of the Core i series; HP claims its A10 equipped Pavilion has a battery life of 12 hours (“at rest”). For the majority of consumers, who need little more than a Facebook machine and a casual gaming platform, Trinity is far and away more suited to their needs than a beefier Core i series system. Even the i3 doesn’t compare favorably when price, performance per watt, and graphical performance are taken into consideration (with the A10 at least). People, given lower prices, are going to begin favoring AMD again.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/255838/amds_trinity_processor_vs_intels_ivy_bridge.html

What will happen when AMD switches over to a 20-something nanometer fabrication process? 20-30% additional battery life? Well, probably not much more than that. But it’s still exciting to think about laptops getting 15 hours of battery life.

Matt Smith

People have been making the “for most consumers” argument for YEARS. Yet they keep buying more and more powerful computers. They keep buying Intel. That will not change.

It doesn’t matter what HP claims battery life will be because those claims are always exaggerations. I do agree that Trinity seems to offer good battery life, but that won’t save the 35W parts because they won’t fit in the kind of laptops purchased by people who care a great deal about battery life. The 17W Trinity parts will be interesting, but the verdict is still out. I suspect they’re going to be pretty slow on the GPU side.

What will happen when AMD switches over to 20-something fabrication? Better efficiency. When will this happen? Not sure. But AMD is about 18 months behind in the fabrication game so don’t look an edge there.

You (like so many other commenters) seem to be under the impression that Intel Core powered laptops are prohibitively expensive. That’s not the case. You don’t have to look hard to find SB Core i3/i5 laptops for $500-$600. You don’t have to look hard to find such laptops with discrete graphics equal or superior to Trinity’s Radeon HD 7660G for $800.

Kannon Y

The available material suggests that Trinity based Ultrathins will cost hundreds of dollars less than faster Intel based Ultrabooks. Perhaps your source is more firmly grounded in reality than mine? Regardless, it seems somewhat premature to suggest that price will not lure consumers over to the AMD side. Granted, once Intel starts losing market share to AMD it’s likely they’ll readjust their strategy for the lower end market, as they did with the Atom. So price in the long run is not a great indicator of overall success – price only helps manufacturers establish a niche in the laptop ecology. In the lower end people don’t care about performance as much as they do function.

But that’s assuming AMD wasn’t straight lying to us (or their partners) about the price estimates and battery performance. If they were, then they’re dead. Very simple.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403317,00.asp

Reading your blog, I get the impression you are something of an unusual consumer – you prefer to do all your work and play on a laptop? (perhaps I am wrong about this)

As a tech journalist your demands are far greater than the average consumer. No amount of performance will ever satiate your demand for bad ass, state of the art tech. For most consumers, however, they want DVD playback, games for their kids (or themselves), aesthetic appeal to indicate status and Facebook. For you, that’s not enough – but for most people it is.

kevin

I guess the Author has point if all you do is run CPU benchmarks, and only use a desktop.

I am looking for a laptop with good battery life and can play videos on a flight without stuttering… He never mentions Trinity has 46% longer battery life or does not stutter when playing videos( or playing games… But I am told to buy Intel because the CPU is better. I do some power points and surf like 90% of users but again the author tells me I need Intel. So instead of buying a laptop with Trinity for $700 that surpasses my needs( and 90% of users). I guess I need to go spend $900 on an intel and have lousy video…but tell everyone it is better becuase of the cpu benchmarks.
yep Intel is clearly better Becuase instead of enjoying video games on a trinity laptop and enjoy the experiaence, I need to buy intel and only rin CPU benchmarks and tell friends it is better.. I feel like I am stuck in Animal Farm… Intel is better cuase they say so

RF

all you do is run a single synthetic benchmark, not even useful, you could at least have used PCMark, even though I’m totally against synthetic benchmarks, and than you conclude that AMD is not good. Man sorry but you are dumb.

Nunya

Might wanna look at 3dmark. Where amd hammers Intel. Thanks for your Biased report though.

Matt Smith

Will you at least do the courtesy of reading my own review. The one I just linked? The one where I 3DMark is included as a test?

Confused

There is no link to a 3dmark in your review.

RF

No my friend you read this and get back to me:

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/2735/amd-a10-trinity-apu-reviewed

and

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/2735/amd-a10-trinity-apu-reviewed

And also most of the application you use in everyday life are GPU accelerated: IE is acclerated, Firefox is acclerated, Chrome, Opera, Adobe Flash, VLC, Microsoft Office, Winzip, Handbrake, Cyberlink, Media Converter, GIMP, Adobe Photoshop and I could go one. So all this application will run faster or equal at best on a Trinity than on Ivy Bridge. So why the f**k should I care if Intel is faster in Sisoft Sandra or AIDA64, when all I do is to use the applications I mentioned above?

Womble

Nobody can deny that Intel CPUs are all over AMD’s right now, but once you hit the “fast enough” spot why spend $100 more?

Matt Smith

What is fast enough? I don’t think AMD is anywhere near there.

gerry

man your crazy its more than enough for 85% of the people your just looking at numbers…. of cours ! a lexus is F is faster than a corolla but in every day life do you need to safe 20 secondes for 200$ (can you go past 60mph in the high way ?) hell no . if your a buissness man you wont buy a cheap 900$ i5/i7 laptop with fancy colors you buy a thinkpad ,probook macbook pro etc.
and if your a gamer why buy a laptop for gaming on the go… maybe its goes like this: ok this guy propably as a monster computer at is home for real gaming and a laptop that can play games farly well when he can’t acess is desktop .. all you do is show some numbers that 85% don’t even understand lol and im no fan boy i have a fx8150 and my laptop is alienware core duo anyways i waisting my time with you

gerry

sorry for the bad english im french

Matt Smith

Look, you can have your opinion, but I don’t agree and the facts generally don’t support it. There are many tasks such as video encoding, video/photo editing, file compression (and etc) which are commonly performed by users who are not tech-savvy and benefit greatly from a faster processor.

In addition, games have repeatedly shown themselves to run slower on AMD processors if they tend towards being CPU bound, which can sometimes be an issue even today. For example, I often use Dawn of War 2: Retribution for benching, and it always performs poorly on AMD hardware because it is CPU bound.

Kaggy

No offence but normal people don’t do video encoding/transcoding and video editing.

For photo editing, if you use GIMP or CS6 OpenCL will assist when rendering filters. (thou i don’t know how much faster)

For file compression, i’ve no longer see people zipping >100MB of files anymore.
And if they do they are mostly professionals who do specific work.
Additionally you can multi task while it is compressing a file, this benchmark doesn’t really make much sense at all.

And Trinity obvious isn’t made to attract these professionals who does all these.

The only sad part of Trinity i noticed is that h264 drains more battery than i3/5.
Hopefully someone makes an OpenCL codec or use VLC which does support OpenCL on windows7.

Bottomline is that even if you need to perform these task you can always get a software which supports OpenCL. Thou it usually isn’t faster than QuickSync but it is good enough for most people.

Nunya

You are staing your “OPINION” as fact. And yoiu have misinformation listed as fact. A lie is not fact.

Kannon Y

Fast enough:

Does it run Facebook smoothly with my twenty-something toolbars and popups running while I unknowingly take part in a DoS attack half-way across the globe?

Will

Can’t recommend AMD??? Intel doesn’t have a SINGLE quad core under 35 watts, let alone 25 watts. Saying that all AMD CPU’s besides the 4600M will have graphics as good or worse than HD 4000 is, first of all unsupported by any benchmarks. Second, Intel doesn’t have HD 4000 in any CPU’s under the 35 watt TDP. It’s too inefficient. They use HD 2500 which AMD can whoop all day long. Also, this article fails to point out that Intel’s graphics can’t even run DirectX 11. In fact, they lied and said they’d have it at a demonstration and had to fake it using a computer from backstage.
Intel’s marketing tactic is to show you 55 or 45 watt TDP performance and let you think it’ll be in your ultra thin notebook. It won’t be. Intel can’t keep power consumption down and keep performance competitive.
If you max out your 35 watt CPU then you should be buying the desktop replacement with a 45 or 55 watt CPU. These Trinity CPU’s are targeted at Ultra Thins. If the justification not to buy an AMD is that you can get an i3 or i5 and a discrete GPU then you have to back off the TDP under 35 watts and get a dual core in order to allow for the extra heat of a discrete GPU to keep it in the same size laptop. On top of that, you could get a 25 watt Trinity and use it in dual graphics mode with said discrete GPU and get even better frame rates for games.
This is all important to consider because people almost never max out their CPUs for extended periods of time. The tasks that do that are usually games and video converting. In gaming, Trinity is clearly the winner for any situation, regardless of if you get a discrete GPU for the reasons I just explained. For video editing I might be more tempted by an i5, but really I’m tempted with getting a destop replacement, so that’s irrelevant to Ultra Thins.

The crux of Intel’s Ivy bridge is that HD 4000 is sitting there like a leach, sucking power and making heat. That holds back the CPU’s potential when you get under 35 watts for small notebooks and ultra thins/ultrabooks.
By the way, Sandra, being a synthetic benchmark, is known for being biased towards Intel because it’s compiled with Intel code and turns off enhancements on AMD CPUs. Real life benchmarks that matter to people would be useful and show less difference.

Matt Smith

AMD’s quad cores are almost always slower than Intel’s last generation (Sandy Bridge) dual-cores, so who cares if AMD’s quads fit a 35W TDP?

You don’t know Intel HD 4000 won’t be in Intel CPUs under 35 Watt TDP because those parts aren’t announced yet.

Trinity is not targeted at ultra thins, or else they’d all be 17 watt parts. Only the 17W part is for sleekbooks (or whatever AMD is calling them) and the 25W is for ultraportables.

Trinity will not win vs. Intel with a discrete graphics solution, particularly in CPU bound games, where it in fact can lose to Intel HD 4000 (see: Dawn of War 2: Retribution).

Useless

Who cares about power consumption? Are you new to PCs? That is what AMD and INtel BOTH have been working hard to improve. As well as Apple. We are talking MOBILE parts here. Everyone wants better battery life. Furthermore. Every site i have looked at shows the A10 beating the HD4000 quite handily one all but 2-3 games. Some had the A10 at almost twice the FPS. I question your comments worth honestly.

Nunya

MATT. If you want people to take you seriously you should at least make an unbiased post. Fact is it really isnt cut and dry. I suspect this article is going to turn into a flame war due to your lack of research and fairness. I suggest you have a look at this. http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles/2310/20120521/amd-trinity-versus-intel-ivy-bridge-battle.htm Be a little more mature and less of a fanboy type in the future please.

Integrated Graphics

This is where Intel Ivy Bridge gets beat, and not just any typical knockout, it’s a killing. Ivy Bridge integrated graphic power is better than what Intel had to offer with Sandy Bridge, but it is nowhere close to what AMD has done with Trinity, and that is the main attraction. AMD Trinity devices will come packed with a Radeon HD 7000 series GPU for solid gaming performance.

Matt Smith

You have got to be kidding me.

That’s the article you’re referencing. Really? That’s it? It’s 500 words with one slide from an AMD press release. There are no benchmarks. None. The quote about processor performance is literally stripped straight from the AMD reviewer’s guide.

Surely there is some kind of trick here. A hidden link to a more comprehensive article. Something. I just can’t believe that all of your outrage could be anchored by this.

Nunya

engadget.com/2012/05/15/amd-trinity-a10-4600m-review-roundup/
bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18048078
news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Trinity-Trounces-Ivy-Bridge-in-Diablo-III-270029.shtml
digitaltrends.com/computing/get-ready-for-off-brand-ultrabooks-can-amds-new-trinity-processor-beat-intel-on-performance-and-price/

All reputable sites. You blatantly picked and chose what to list that favors intel. End of strory. Thats bias. Outrage? No chance, IN fact you have been corrected by several people and feel the need to retaliate without listing any more fact to back up your claim. I mean the fact that according to you noone cares about battery life in a laptop? That in itself shows your level of intelligence on the matter. The most asked question about laptops is how long is battery life. That is a fact. Fact is AMD beat intel in IGP, power consuption and price. Intel wins in raw CPU power and viideo encoding. Bottom line. for that average person a Trinity based apu is perfectly fine for the average person. Honestly. If people are doing video encoding and are willing to pay the extra cash… SO be it. The atricle is called “What You Need To Know About AMD’s New Trinity Laptop APU [MakeUseOf Explains]“.
What you have posted is why i want you to buy an Intel based machine or Why you shouldnt buy an AMD based machine. Sad. maybe the people who run this site will take a look at this. ANd see you are not giving their website the reputation for being worth reading. Like unbiased. Personally. At this point you are showing a lack of maturity being so defencive. If your going to post biased info be prepared for it to be noticed.

Matt Smith

You’re just throwing up articles without making any actual link between them and what you’re saying. Half the links you posted are not even reviews. The other half seem to agree with my verdict.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say to me. All I know is that you’re apparently really, really angry that I suggest people buy Intel instead of AMD.

Nunya

“Trinity even bests Intel Ivy Bridge’s impressive graphics performance: The HD7760G integrated graphics processor (IGP) had a 30-percent to 50+-percent performance gain over the Intel HD 4000 IGP in an Ivy Bridge Core i7 chip, according to HotHardware.”

How is that in agreement with what you have posted?

“Great Integrated Graphics, Gaming Performance

As with Intel’s Ivy Bridge, AMD Trinity’s biggest gains are on the graphics side. Tom’s Hardware found Trinity “soundly beating its competition” in graphics processing and–as you see in this chart–in this testing, Trinity leads even against a Llano laptop with a discrete graphics card (the older 3DMark Vantage metric was used to compare against the Intel Sandy Bridge chip, which doesn’t support DirectX 11).”

Again… Not agreeing with you.

“Significantly Better Battery Life

AMD also managed to significantly improve battery life on Trinity compared to previous AMD chips and even when compared to Ivy Bridge–even though Intel uses a new 22nm production technology, while Trinity still uses the 32nm process of older Llano chips (smaller chips tend to be more energy efficient).”

Again…. LOL you loss all cridibilty when you said who cares about battery life.
Not one single person posting in agreement with you. Doesnt that tell you anything? I can dig up 100s of more if you like. Im pretty sure at this point though anyone that reads through this is gonna go elsewhere for thier information.

Dontbesofanboyish

Integrated Graphics

This is where Intel Ivy Bridge gets beat, and not just any typical knockout, it’s a killing. Ivy Bridge integrated graphic power is better than what Intel had to offer with Sandy Bridge, but it is nowhere close to what AMD has done with Trinity, and that is the main attraction. AMD Trinity devices will come packed with a Radeon HD 7000 series GPU for solid gaming performance.

JMoody

PCWorld has been around for YEARS. They see it much differently/ Should I take advice from a 19-20 year old that lists false information or PCWorld

. Trinity even bests Intel Ivy Bridge’s impressive graphics performance: The HD7760G integrated graphics processor (IGP) had a 30-percent to 50+-percent performance gain over the Intel HD 4000 IGP in an Ivy Bridge Core i7 chip, according to HotHardware.
Conclusion

Taking the synthetic test results (on a prototype laptop) with a grain of salt, an AMD Trinity-based laptop may tempt you, depending on your needs.

If you require a mobile powerhouse with the best processing performance possible, an Intel quad-core i7 will be your better bet. But if you’re a gamer or want longer battery life in your laptop, AMD has an edge over Intel.

And despite the less-than-overwhelming overall CPU performance gains, Trinity-based laptops will be more than fine for mainstream tasks.

Also not to be dismissed: Trinity-equipped laptops will, in general, be cheaper than laptops equipped with Ivy Bridge processors. For instance, AMD’s ultrathin laptops are set to be priced about $200 lower than Intel Ultrabooks.

Sorry to throw facts into the lies.

Matt Smith

Wow, PC World is so amazing, they couldn’t source their own results and had to use Hot Hardware’s ;)

Actually I don’t see how this is different from what I said. The ten FPS difference I’m talking about is a 30% gap in many games on low-end and mid-range laptops. So we are in agreement about the facts.

What we are not in agreement on is the how this applies to a recommendation of the hardware. I can’t recommend Trinity because the CPU is quite slow and the graphics are better than Intel HD 4000, but not better than most discrete GPUs. So what’s the point? Just buy an Intel system with a discrete GPU.

And as far as those cheaper products go, I addressed that already. The cheap AMD parts will have seriously downgraded GPUs with lower clocks and less cores. They are not going to perform as well as the A10-4600M systems that were sent as review units.

JMoody

You used results from the same sites. HOWEVER. You chose to not post the ones that showed AMD in front. CLEARLY biasing anything you have said. 30% FPS difference? WOW kid. Try to at least look at facts, I for one am using a Llano based laptop. With the SLOWEST AMD APU in it. The A4-3300m/ I get over 100 FPS in World of Warcraft in cities. 30-50 in raids. My daughters Dell with the HD3000 gets upper teens. Cant even raid because they drop to single didgits. Again The comment about the performance of the HD3000 was TOTALLY misinformation or maybe a straight up lie. Who knows which. The link also shows the A10 getiing almost double the FPS in several NEW games. Note that not one single person has aggreed with your article. Yet you continue to agrue. Learn from it. Next time post FACTS not inflated claims and or lies. And post both sides of the coin. Bias article is bias. Also you again faill to address the substantial power savings. Bias….

Nunya

I hate to bust the fanboy bubble. But the vast majority buy on bang for buck. AMD wins that hands down. Even in Intels on comparisons.

WOWPlayer

UMM The HD4000 is crap.. I watched a video of some guy running World of Warcraft with it. He is standing by himself in the middle of nowhere. Even crap cards can do 60-70 fps like that, He tries it on ultra and look at how choppy it is. He has to turn it down to low…. And thats standing alone with no spells or anything. Would hate to see it in a city.. Or trying to run a dungeon…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnYpLZGOMQc

WOWPlayer

UMM The HD4000 is crap.. I watched a video of some guy running World of Warcraft with it. He is standing by himself in the middle of nowhere. Even crap cards can do 60-70 fps like that, He tries it on ultra and look at how choppy it is. He has to turn it down to low…. And thats standing alone with no spells or anything. Would hate to see it in a city.. Or trying to run a dungeon…
youtube.com/watch?v=UnYpLZGOMQc

Horrible. Intel is still relying on PC makers to add a third party GPU so their systems can be used to game with. Sadly WoW is CPU intensive. Yet he still gets horrible FPS>

AndreMoore

From reading all this I think what Matt is trying to say is. If you dont care about Intel’s higher price-Shorter battery life-Slowest onboard current graphics chip. Intel is the way to go. For him CPS is all that matters. Although it seems noone else would agree. Personally ill be buying the HP Sleekbook with a Trinity APU.

Matt Smith

“Although it seems noone else would agree. ”

I know! This is why AMD massively outsells Intel in laptops.

Oh. Wait.

WOWPlayer

AMDs biggest market share is in laptops. Thats what they are aimed at. AND These chips just came out. Just stop trying to justify your fanboy article Matt. You have been shown to be as one sided as it gets, Noone will take your advice after reading this. Reading this has probably got MakeUseOf several emials regarding your posting on the site. I am sure they do not want to get the reputation of being a fanboy misinformative website. I know I wont be trusting any more information from here without taking it with caution.

RealityCheck

Yo Matt. Be less of a total dumbass… They havent even started selling. So Intel doesnt have the most sells. Please refrian from ever trying to be a journalist. You are not mentally capable.

Matt Smith

I’m curious what kind of mental gymnastics are required for you to convince yourself that AMD is going to outsell Intel this time, no really, it’s going to be entirely different from every other product launch in the history of the company.

Here’s a fun tidbit – it’s probably impossible for AMD to outsell Intel. As in literally impossible. As in they could not find the production capacity to fill all the orders they would receive if they suddenly had a majority of the laptop market.

Now that’s a reality check.

RealityCheck

Matt you have already proven how little you know on cpus. Abd business models. Proven you are impartial and small minded at best. Fact is AMD doesnt make the chips. Thier supplier can produce at much higher capabiities. It is up to AMD to buy the time and production capabilities. Again refrain from trying to post facts. You continue to even go to the trouble of researching. Took me 2 minutes to get the facts, I do mean facts. Not what i wish to beleive. Your supposed opnions have all been useless simply die to the fact that they were not based on fact. Journalists above all else have to be factual.

RealityCheck

Funny.. Assuming it seems.. Since you state noone cares about battery life in laptops. Intel and AMD are marketing that point heavily. Maybe your opinion is more factual than what AMD and Intel are not only stating in press releases but wasteing valuable money on? I hope you are an only child.

RealityCheck

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/11/apple-threatened-to-abandon-intel-chips-over-power-consumption/

“In an article from The Wall Street Journal regarding Intel’s new $300 million effort to spur innovation on its “Ultrabook” platform, an Intel executive reveals that the chipmaker was driven to reduce power consumption to support such ultra-thin notebook designs by Apple. The motivation came in the form of threat by Apple to switch chip suppliers unless Intel made progress on the issue (via Daring Fireball).”

Read that? You can read yes? maybe have someone with reading coomprehension skills better than a river otter tell you what that means

Mark O’Neill

“RealityCheck” – while we encourage people to speak their mind, what we will NOT tolerate is personal insults. If you continue to throw insults at Matt, then you will be blocked from leaving any further comments. By all means, argue and debate, and express your opinion. But do not throw insults around.

RealityCheck

LOL If Matt is considered a journalist here. there is no reason for me to come to this site. I wont bother posting again. Nor visiting such a bias waste of net.

Matt Smith

RealityCheck. I have no idea why you think any of the information you’ve listed is anything I’ve not heard before.

You obviously don’t know the facts about fabrication. AMD cannot hope to match Intel’s output. Its main suppliers – GlobalFoundries (the AMD spin off) and TSMC can’t just suddenly start producing as many chips as AMD wants. It’s not like going to the print shop and telling the guy behind the counter you want 100 copies. Other companies have demand on the limited capacity of those suppliers, as well, and it takes time to ramp up production of new or additional chips.

This is why AMD was selling out of Bulldozers for awhile – even though it was widely considered a pretty blah architecture AMD still could not keep up with demand.

Check out Wikipedia’s list of fabrication facilities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Semiconductor_Fabrication_Plants). Intel owns more fabrication facilities than anyone else IN THE WORLD. In addition, they have the most advanced consumer production process IN THE WORLD. This is Intel’s secret weapon – they aren’t just out-designing the opposition on an architectural level. They’re also out-producing them with their own fabs that use exclusive production processes that Intel rarely lets anyone else have access to.

JamesL

I see why you are so confused on facts. Your reading comprehension is very low. The guy didnt say AMD could match Intel. He said they could buy up more production to increase output. Although it may not be your reading comprehension but your inability to admit facts are indeed the facts. you should perhaps get someone to help with that. it really is damaging your reputation to me and others I am sure. If you get to where so many see you as bias or untruthful your career wont last long. Something to think about.

Xeridea

Well, I now know to not visit this site anymore, because you have 0 idea what you are talking of. Post 1 benchmark… some synthetic one that doesn’t matter at all and call it good. Also post 0 GPU benchmarks, one of the strong points.

Ignore the fact that this is cheaper, about an hour longer battery life, and sufficient for 95% of laptop users needs and suggest getting higher priced Intel AND spring extra for discrete GPU that will surely do nothing good for battery life.

Learn how to review things, or go work @ Wal-mart. I am a power user, and this CPU would be totally fine for my needs, its actually potentially faster than my desktop CPU (only have 2-3 year old dual core), and I don’t really need anything faster.

Matt Smith

It’s cheaper? Then Intel processors that are faster? No, actually, it’s not.

It has an hour longer battery life? This is a meaningless statement. Battery life is a factor of the processor, and the GPU, and other hardware, and the display size, and the size of the battery. Since all we’ve seen so far is the AMD reference platform we have very little idea what battery life looks like besides “well, it seems good.”

It’s sufficient for 95% of laptop users? This also is a meaningless statement. You don’t know what other people do or how they will use you computers. We can only judge what the products available are capable of. Since Intel has a much faster processor it easily wins that contest. Graphics performance is the wildcard, but as I’ve repeatedly said, I see no reason why someone would buy a Trinity system over an Intel system with a GT 630M or some other low-range discrete GPU.

Xeridea

Yes, for what you are suggesting, trinity is cheaper. Longer battery life is proven, with test system with comparable battery. Saying battery life is meaningless is asinine. Yes, the CPU is just one factor, but it is a major one.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22932/13

Hard to deny 20-60% longer battery life. Guess them higher power CPUs you are comparing them to don’t help in battery life. Tests were with other factors being approximately equal (battery capacity, screen size, brightness, etc).

Yes, most people do facebook, officework, schoolwork, programming, light photo/video work, light video trancoding, watch movies, file compression, gaming. Not many use their laptops for video render farms, if they do, they get really expensive ones, and don’t care about cost.

Intel system with GT540m/630m costs ~$200 more, considerably less battery life, and performs about the same for games. If you require top notch CPU performance, you should get Intel, but the fact is for the vast majority, trinity is sufficient, and cheaper.

If most of your readers, and any reputable review site goes against your opinion, perhaps you should do some rethinking or quit being so biased?

WOWPlayer

I have emailed this website about his article. I suggest you do the same. I am sure they will think twice about allowing his nonsense back.

Nunya

Sorry but YES. Its more than enough for the average user. As has already been stated the only thing Intel would be more useful to is Video editing and such. Its crap for gamers due to the fact it in itself is horrid at gaming. And if they get one with a low end dicrete card it will still perform MUCH lower than the A10s. Not to mention the fact that adding another gpu WOULD shorten the battery life. Despite your claims batttery life IS the KEY feature people look at for laptops. Might wanna finish school and learn something. baing able to use spell check so you can post misinformation (lies) does not make you a writer. Nor does it make your opinion worth reading.

AMD fanboy

As a former AMD fanboy I hate to say it… AMD screwed the pooch on trinity. Not only are the multipliers locked but in most cases trinity only outperforms Llano in synthetic benchmarks. Hey, guys, listen. Before I became a “bread winning” adult AMD was my go to processing and GPU solution, AMD is the holy grail of the budget conscious I know. But once you wise up to what Intel has to offer, Be you a gamer or not you really need to believe AMD is cheap… because it’s cheap. Get it?

Matt has every right to be Intel biased. Would you rather buy a Lexus or Saturn? Why? Is it because you are “Lexus biased”? Or is it because Saturn is garbage in every area except price compared to Lexus? Lol come on guys be realistic here please.

WOWaDeal

LOL Matt made alt account to post positives on his garbage article. LAWL.

WOWPlayer

AMD fanboy. Your comment is a flat out lie. Trinity HANDILY beats Llano in every aspect. Intel cant crossfire. if you wish to spend the amounts hes saying you can get a Trinity based machine with an ATI discrete video and still slam the Intel machines due to crossfire technology. Intel is a Lexus? LOL You are probably Matt on a second account. Take a look atthe machine atthe bottom post. Find an Intel that will out game it. Then get back with us. Just stop.

WOWaDeal

Actually no it wont. That trinity runs in crossfire mode. Graphic Processor ATI Radeon 7670M + AMD Radeon 7640G. Intel has yet to figure out the dual gpu advantages. Not that they ever cared about gamers.

discreet

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WOWaDeal

Tarun Agrawal

07 June 12

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the only problem i witnessed is OVERHEATING issues …..u can almost cook maggie in it :):) …rest everything is greatt esp USB 3 , sound , video ..jus everythin is gr8.

Matt Smith

You can actually get that configuration for less in the United States ($524 before shipping on HP’s website) and it is a very good deal.

Though I’m not sure why you selected a user review that states that laptop is overheating.

WOWaDeal

Unlike you Matt…. I throw straight up facts out. Gppd and bad. I am not gonna just grab the good reviews out without giving the whole facts. I am not biased.

Matt.Smith

I’m in awe of your integrity.

bob

LOL, A10-4600M+HD7670M laptops with dual graphics are gonna wipe the floor with HD4000. Like Llano the strength of Trinity is when xfire’d with a low end dGPU.

Seeing as such laptops are going to be in the $600-$800 range they will *destroy* Intel in the mid range market.

Hmmm….should I buy a laptop that can play games?….or one that can calculate Pi faster?….Wow, that’s a tough one….

Sheesh.

trisymym

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in korea this spec hp laptops only $650 ~700
But i cant find this laptop in USA
why? usa doesnt have this laptop?

trisymym

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trisymym

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Saikat Basu

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Matt’s fan

Your statement — “As a former AMD fanboy it pains me to see the company in its current position, but it’s hard to make an argument for these new mobile processors even if you want to” IS AWESOME !!!
YOUR post makes absolute sense. This is a great genuine and unbiased review. Intel’s processors are awesome… you can do anything with it.. maybe calculate distance to moon daily with 124 decimal accuracy… guy have to encode.. decode and dance with video on a constant basis and playback is better in 12fps than 25 fps..Intel with dedicated card you get 50fps.. in this case having 50 is better than 25fps .Also i have to compress tons ot data daily. Intel’s igp is awesome intel’s GMA kicks radeon’s a**. amd apu’s have radeon onboard but intel’s processing power can beat that. Why need decent graphics..better processor will solve everything.

WOWaDeal

Matt…. Stop logging alts and raving your own work. Its just sad. There is no integrity to keep beating a dead horse,