Adobe Leaves Creative Suite Behind In A Cloud Of Dust [Updates]

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Creative Suite users, you’ll soon be switching to the Cloud. Adobe announced on Monday at its Annual MAX event that it would be dropping CS and completely replacing it with its newest service: the Creative Cloud.

Adobe has explained that this major transition is an effort to peacefully combat piracy and make smaller, more frequent updates to the company’s products over the course of the year, rather than dropping them all at once in an upgraded version.

Creative Cloud itself has also been updated to become a highly focused app that pushes product updates and important notifications directly to your desktop. In the past, Creative Cloud users had to log into the service to download updates. The Creative Cloud package includes all of Adobe’s products along with online storage and the ability to communicate with your team and others using the Creative Cloud Community.

The price-tag for all of this might seem a bit hefty for some. A year’s subscription is $50 a month for the entire assortment of Adobe’s tools (like Photoshop), and for $20 a month you can subscribe to a single tool. However, for the first year, the complete package is only $30 a month.

This sudden switch has both its pros and cons, and the big change has caused a great deal of controversy among users. On a related note, another big change is the complete purging of Fireworks, a product that will not be part of the Creative Cloud update.

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What do you think? Do you like the new Creative Cloud? Should Adobe still sell stand-alone packages?

Source: Gizmodo, TheNextWeb

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Harshit J

This move has only two objectives: Earn more income and get rid of pirates. Those who will complain are obviously pirates.

Andy

So i guess you like paying even more for software? It is just a money grab, if the suite is local and only connects to verify that you payed your monthly fee, some super pirate will figure a way around that. It’s just a question of time.

But what really ticks me off is the idiots that jump on the cloud band wagon just to be trendy!

Harshit J

Who says that I like to pay? I use freeware alternatives. Though, they can reduce the subscription price a little bit.

Randall King

That’s not a good answer for those of us who’ve invested into the 3rd party plugin eco system which adobe has promoted. I’ve spent nearly $800 for such filters for Photoshop.

Adobe must be held accountable for disrupting this ecosystem.

Randall King

Harshit, your assertion about complainants is extremely narrowly defined and borderline absurd in its absolutism. I am licensed user of Adobe products and an artist who frequently travels to many remote locations for inspiration and spontaneity with my word. Tying my productivity tools to an always on internet connection is a real deal breaker. I will be switching to a different product which respects the “honor system”, and the traditional off-line availability model.

Harshit J

I was only having some fun by teasing the pirates. My comment only targeted the pirates, not real people who pay.

Nancy Jones

I buy my software licenses, but I refuse to subscribe. I don’t use them every month, and I don’t upgrade every year. I keep it till I need newer features. So I won’t be moving to Creative Cloud, I’ll be looking for open source alternatives.

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Guy McDowell

This really makes me angry. I’m dropping Adobe all together and switching to OSS alternatives.

Here’s why it makes me angry: All this cloud stuff is great, fast, and even fun IF you live in a city where you can have excellent 99.9% up-time, high bandwidth, Internet service.

If you live rurally, it can exclude you from the means to make your living if there is a power outage, phone outage, Internet service outage, etc., etc. I’ve had weeks go by where I had no Internet service at home.

Even if our service doesn’t go down, because us rural dwellers are on the so-called last-mile, we don’t normally get anything close to the highest Internet service speeds supposedly available to us. Photoshop is a resource hog at the best of times, imagine it over the Net!

Buh-bye Adobe. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Md Mukhtar Mohsin

Think of me i am from India in a small town using 2g means average 128 kilo bits per second , How can i ever use this service.

Guy McDowell

Exactly Mukhtar! I get slightly better service than that in rural Nova Scotia, Canada. Plus we pay about $100 a month for that.

Md Mukhtar Mohsin

$100 means 5000 rs. to me .ln that money I could get a blazing high speed net here in India 7.2 mbps with unlimited usage approx. Currently I pay just 100 rs. per month which is about $2 for you.what a diffrrence.

Lisa Santika Onggrid

I pay 100.000 rupiahs (roughly 8-9$) for 3.6 mbps with 7GB quota. 100$ is ridiculously high price for internet service.
I agree. Photoshop is sluggish enough in my computer. I won’t get anything done at all if it’s working over the net.
Very funny to think their customers are all living luxuriously with always-on connectivity.

Alex Vega

Read the FAQ about how Creative Cloud Works.

Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?
No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won’t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you’ll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you’ll be able to use products for 3 months (99 days) even if you’re offline.

So yeah… to be honest i don’t like the whole cloud idea, but i guess thats how its gonna be in the future… sigh

Joshua Lockhart

I didn’t notice the three month feature. Thanks, Alex.

Randall King

I’m afraid this pricing model remains a deal breaker. My decision to invest in a productivity tool (yes, I’ve paid the hefty 1 time fee for initial purchases and subsequent upgrades ) is based on the ability for my output to pay back into my investment, as well as compare how much of the tool paid for itself in relation to the income I draw back in.
By turning this into a perpetual “software mortgage”, I can no longer no sweat about not having access to my tools during dry spells (particularly since economic cycles can drastically cut into my income).

Jonathon Beasse

I live in a rural area, and my internet isn’t quite as bad as yours. However, the internet does regularly kick me off of the internet-based services I do use (Skype, SSH on remote server, etc.) This would be quite annoying to me if Adobe products did the same thing.

Luckily I have mostly weened myself off the Adobe products I use.(I only used a couple) in favor of OSS alternatives.

Joshua Lockhart

What types of alternatives do you use?

Jonathon Beasse

From the Adobe Suite, I mostly used Dreamweaver and Photoshop before I switched to OSS alternatives.

What I use currently are Sublime Text 2 and GIMP. Plus, they work on Linux systems with little effort. Which is perfect for my laptop running Ubuntu.

JP Ladue

“If you live rurally, it can exclude you from the means to make your living if there is a power outage.”

So the CS products enabled you to work even during a power outage? That’s pretty amazing.

This isn’t a constant connection thing. You only need to be connected to license your software, after that it’s business as usual. You’ll still be able to use your software even if there is an internet outage.

From the FAQ…

“Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won’t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you’ll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you’ll be able to use products for 3 months (99 days) even if you’re offline.”

You people really need to learn to read.

dragonmouth

“You people really need to learn to read.”
And you need to learn how to read between the lines. Any changes are meant to be for Adobe’s benefit, nobody else’s, certainly not for the benefit of the users/customers.

If the app is installed locally, then what is the need for the cloud?
Why check in with momma every 30 days?
What happens when, because of some glitch, Adobe won’t recognize your registration?
Since Adobe controls the application(s), what is to prevent them from jacking up the subscription price on a regular basis? The goodness of their (black) heart?

Joshua Lockhart

You need to check in to just validate the subscription. That part does make sense to me.

I see what you’re saying otherwise, though.

dragonmouth

“You need to check in to just validate the subscription.”
WHY???!!!

I must be dense so please explain to me the need to re-validate a subscription every X number of days. For all the subscriptions that I have, other than software, it’s pay at the beginning of subscription period and forget about it until the subscription expires.

Lisa Santika Onggrid

Missed that part. Still, that means you can’t use it on computers that are meant to be always-offline.
Not a welcome change but I guess it’d be standard in the future.

Randall King

Hey JP,

Wipe your mouth, its frothing with ill advised sarcastic wit.

If the validation checks do fail, the software is crippled. That’s a fact.

And there’s absolutely nothing in the FAQ’s which negates the fact that this is a money grab, and a roughing up of the legitimate customer base with an improperly rolled out change of business practice.

Joshua Lockhart

Hey Guy,

You’ll install the app locally. They just want you to check in from time to time to validate the subscription.

We won’t be having a repeat of SimCity…

Guy McDowell

I overreacted when I heard the term ‘Cloud’. I remember when ‘Cloud’ was Software As A Service, or SaaS. I guess Cloud is better for marketing.

So really, this is more of a SaaS than a Cloud application. Someone make the buzzwords make sense please?

Either way, I’m getting off the Adobe bus.

Randall King

It’s not just that Guy, this is a reprehensible way for collecting a perpetual software mortgage. No money this month? Well, no access to the tool you’ve put in money towards ( it doesn’t matter if you’ve been a subscriber for 5 years and paid 5000 ). Adobe messed up by abandoning the Creative Suite and not doing a parallel initiative for Cloud users.

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Ana Amelio

My opinion is divided. On one hand I cannot help but rejoice over the significant price drop ($600 for a year for all apps instead of $2500) but on the other hand I know my internet speed is not that great, and at times the slightest wind blows and I lose connection for a couple of hours. That right there is what is turning me off of the idea.

KB

You won’t need great internet speed to use your applications. They install and run locally on your desktop just as before; only the licensing model (as well as the amount of features available, which is increasing) is changing.

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gamestrike

Guy says it all. Dumb move on Adobe.

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VJ Katt

it’s gonna be great trying to use it on an offline computer

Joshua Lockhart

You can use it offline.

Lisa Santika Onggrid

You still have to be online to validate, right?

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Jason

While this approach is being presented as a way to combat piracy, it appears as a increased revenue generation model to me. I also find it interesting that Adobe has to have a myth buster page. That would suggest the concept is confusing for users and not being well received. I noticed one of the myths is about monthly payments–apparently you can pay in advance to “lock in your price.” That seems to suggest they plan on raising the price in the near future if you choose to pay monthly. Personally, I think they jumped the gun here.

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null

I agree with Guy. Goodbye Adobe. Plenty more products to take your place.

Joshua Lockhart

The software can be used offline. Just a note.

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James Ezell

I own the cs4 photoshop upgrade to elements and have gotten it to install once after some big help from tech support. I build a new computer and have never gotten the program to recognize the serial number as valid even though I got it though MyAdobe. Adobe’s copy protection craps out on a good day why would I spend 20 to 50 a month for this abuse!!!!

Joshua Lockhart

I’m sorry that happened to you, James. : /

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Jack

No, Adobe. Just no. Bad move.

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JP Ladue

Could you people please go here and read and get educated and stop making uninformed statements…

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

You do NOT need to be connected to use the software, you only need to be connected to install, license, and update your software.

From the FAQ…

“Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?

No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won’t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you’ll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you’ll be able to use products for 3 months (99 days) even if you’re offline.”

Joshua Lockhart

Thanks, JP.

I see that there’s a lot of confusion. I thought it was clear that you didn’t need to be connected to the Internet. I should have probably made a note.

JP Ladue

No problem. It just irks me when people make statements without knowing the facts.

Randall King

JP,
I hope you never have to work in any kind of customer liaison type of position. Your emotional states bear no relevance as to how people are receiving this “change” nor does your disparaging attitude set anything straight. Neither is your encapsulation of just 1 FAQ item enough to bury and sate the concerns of Adobe’s customers.

Blaming the customer for being ignorant is a sure fire way of losing those customers. You’re not doing Adobe any service through condescension.

The underlying concern, apart from the necessity of internetwork validation, is this brute forced switch of the pricing model (among other issues). If a customer does not participate in this perpetual software mortgage scheme, Adobe cripples the downloaded product unless payment is remitted.

Happily, Adobe isn’t the only player in the market. You can bet your bottom dollar that there are other businesses who will monetize disenfranchised customers. I’ll be one who switches.

Guy McDowell

True, I didn’t read all the facts. Nonetheless, Adobe calling it Creative Cloud does imply that it is a Cloud service. Poor marketing on the part of Adobe.

It’s kind of like if Burger King changed its name to Veggie King, then had an asterisk that said, “No, we really only have one veggie burger, the rest are beef.” Most people would infer that Burger King no longer sold hamburger.

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Rick

I personally think this is absurd. There is so much out there on cloud servers already and is too easy to hack and access. I know this is the wave of the future, where everything will be virtual and in the clouds, unless the world gets blown up first by stupid governments.

Joshua Lockhart

The program and saved files are local. You just update it every so often.

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Rajaa Chowdhury

Everything in Information Technology is becoming so Cloudy nowadays!!! What is the next stage? Rains!!! :D :P

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Tom Bogan

As I approach retirement, I see that Adobe has left me no choice as to not move to the cloud, as LR 4 possibly LR 5 (if boxed) and PS CS 5.5 will be my last Adobe products. I will be able to do what I want with my archives and newer images since my cameras are covered in the latest version of ACR. If I need to upgrade my cameras in the future, and I need to work in raw that is not covered in my last version of ACR, I will just have to fire up my DXO and upgrade it, since it doesn’t sit it the clouds, even though it is bought online. Bye Bye Adobe, good bye.

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shafk

I use Photoshop and Premiere Elements rather than the fully loaded versions. Thankfully these will still be available for offline purchased rather than subscription.

k odu

You are limiting yourself. If you had more programs you would probably make more money.

Joshua Lockhart

That’s not necessarily true. If I had Maya, I wouldn’t be able to do much with it.

As someone who worked with Premiere Elements for a while, I can safely say it’s possible to push it beyond its apparent limits. I use the pro version now, but you can do quite a bit with it.

null

I am not an expert in Web design, but I know that complicated web designs of today might require different technologies some of which are fluid. The cloud solution takes care of these changes. It depends on the client and what he expects from the web designer. Most clients do not know what they want so the software package used might be irrelevant.

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k odu

Anybody who can afford nearly 3000 Bucks for the Creative suit should be able to pay 50 bucks a month for say 3 years plus you have free updates and more Power in your hands. No one should complain.

dragonmouth

That is a specious argument.
If one can afford to buy a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari does that mean that person should pay more for gasoline than one who owns a Fiat or a motorcycle? After all, one can afford it.

k odu

Indeed the guy who can afford a Rolls Royce or Ferrari or Lamborghini should pay more for gasoline. There is a Lady who earns just under 1000 Dollars a month and she is forced to pay from her nose just to fill up her tank, and she is forced to take on 2 more jobs while taking care of her children. Ordinary people should be ashamed for not revolting when we see CEO`s earning 10 Million Dollars a month buying from the same shop that a secretary who earns 500 Dollars also buys from. Capitalism is a shame.

dragonmouth

“Indeed the guy who can afford a XYZ should pay more for ABC.”
That works great until you are the person that should be paying more because you can afford it.

“Capitalism is a shame. ”
Socialism and communism are no picnic, either. Wealth redistribution sounds great until it is your wealth that is being redistributed.

null

Waren Buffet has donated 75% of his wealth to the Bill and Melinda foundation. Bill Gates has spent his billions on charitable causes. Wealth distribution makes sense.
Having billions in one`s Bank account that might never be used makes no sense to me. There are more billionaires today in say US, but there are also more homeless people. I have met Russians who told me they had it better under communism even if they had little money to spend. But they were not forced to live on the streets like we have in the streets of London or Washington DC.

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macwitty

I think piracy is one thing but also the second hand market. Buying an earlier version have been a way to step into CS and then maybe just update every second or third version. The later did Adobe “stop” with the last version when they narrowed their upgrade policy

For those who started with a full version and buy every upgrade this is a good deal. For those who started cheaper with a used version or with the student version (the one for commercial use) and didn’t bother about every update this is not their day.

Joshua Lockhart

Good point about the second-hand market. Didn’t even think about that.

I’m on CS5.5. Admittedly, I didn’t plan on upgrading for a while. Seeing that I have my eyes on a iMac refurb now… Ehhh.

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Marc Godhusen

I’m horrified. Weren’t they about to release CS 6.5? This really has just the purpose too bother the pirates. Now everybody has to pay monthly fees? I’m really disappointed by Adobe.

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Lisa Santika Onggrid

I don’t like it. People are still keeping offline computers for various reasons.

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Sonwabile Hlazo

this might be bad for people who are using offline PCs

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Mike

How do you work if your internet connection goes down? Client deadlines are not very forgiving, and this does happen from time to time. Also, what if you’re working on a pc that doesn’t have an internet connection. Terrible idea. This will cause me to investigate alternatives to Illustrator and Photoshop, to which I have been religiously devoted for over a decade.

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Scott Lusby

An exchange I had with an Adobe rep

http://snap.ashampoo.com/qgRUzfYx

Patrice

wow… I would have thought we could pay the entire year in advance… new info

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null

but even pirates will still be able to get the software so its kinda pointless on adobes part

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PIerre F. Walter

Adobe takes risks. They have failed with their hugely promoted picture server project years ago. It was a resounding failure because the competition very quickly offered much cheaper options. Adobe asked for 5000$ for the package. And this effort of theirs is ongoing. As they perceive that the global design and publishing market is shifting at high speed, they seem to trying to cling to a boye to save them from drowning. I am not sure if they will survive. To me, they come over as the PanAm in design business. All their products are simply overpriced and this does not pay in our time, it doesn’t assure a long-term customer base.

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Pierre Walter

Where is my comment that I just posted?

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Jonathan Davis

EVIL ADOBE! best to have the software avaible offline for those who have a spotty internet connection.

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jesse james

This will be go the way of Microsoft OS8: a horrible and costly mistake. I see agencies and freelancers just staying with CS6. I don’t think Harshit has a clue that this is making a lot of people that invested in making Adobe the great company it is very angry and feeling abandoned.

If there are pirating issues, why not just take a little of that kazillion profit money and hire a few coders until they figure out how to fix THAT problem. This is a greed move and Adobe has essentially given us the finger.

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Govertz J

I have avoided Adobe from the start, because of the high pricetag, and I can produce the same as any Adobe user.

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Maurizio

A petition has been launched:

Adobe Systems Incorporated: Eliminate the mandatory “creative cloud” subscription model.

http://chn.ge/1049GL0

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